RzrTrek:

Steam is the only DRM I need at this point.

Steam ... not even once. Steam ... where games own YOU. ;) But BTT: I wait until it comes out. Until this time I play Fallout 4 again and try all those mods I always wanted. So far a companion mod does archieve wonders while travelling with any companion through the wasteland. No negative effects is always a good thing to have. A mod to delete the limits of objects in settlements is very welcomed, too. Always scouting the whole ground and removing (scraping) every object which is not related to any usecase is horrible, but without scraping those you end up building a house and right in the middle of the second floor the limit hits and you are not able to finish the roof anymore. Others than those there is almost nothing added, just a few things to "enrich my gaming experience" by adding some visual effects here and there ... 😀 And I am sure someone will find a way to play it without getting nuked by other players. That would be my biggest issue with FO76, other playxers may nuke you "for fun". NO! it is NO FUN if you are in the middle of a mission and BOOM, "Player Xx_will_pwn_for_food_xX nuked you from orbit." ... nope. And does this mean a SAVE is not possible anymore except probably an EXITSAVE? So if you met some Deathclaws and hid from them in FO4, you were able to save and then "experiment" on how you could bypass or defeat those. But with FO76 that would mean a straight "try 'n' die" episode, right?

Keitosha:

No one is ever satisfied. But TESO is on Steam as well, crappy part about it is that it needs to install Bethesda Launcher in order to play TESO (not to mention downloading it via Steam and redownloading the same game via B launcher).

It's not "On Steam as well", you launch the game on Steam, then Steam launches the other launcher which then launches the game. There are many games that do this, most of them Ubisoft, and the only reason why the game is even available to buy on Steam to begin with is because they'd lose a huge amount of players if the game was launched strictly on Bethesda.net

I had no idea there was even a Bethesda.net. lol

nhlkoho:

It's not "On Steam as well", you launch the game on Steam, then Steam launches the other launcher which then launches the game. There are many games that do this, most of them Ubisoft, and the only reason why the game is even available to buy on Steam to begin with is because they'd lose a huge amount of players if the game was launched strictly on Bethesda.net

Basically what I've said. I know how it works. Also like GTA5 with its R*SC Got the game and a few Uplay games as well. Launching within Steam gives you access to guides, game usage tracking and whatnot. I could run the Bethesda launcher without Steam just fine. I'm afraid TES6 (Hammerfell?) won't be on Steam as well. Time will tell.

Biggest problem of Steam is the 30% cut. That's why it's expensive .

FrostNixon:

Biggest problem of Steam is the 30% cut. That's why it's expensive .

No it isn't. Games are the same price everywhere else as they are on Steam. Unless you buy on shady key reselling sites. Greedy publishers are to blame.

nhlkoho:

It's not "On Steam as well", you launch the game on Steam, then Steam launches the other launcher which then launches the game. There are many games that do this, most of them Ubisoft, and the only reason why the game is even available to buy on Steam to begin with is because they'd lose a huge amount of players if the game was launched strictly on Bethesda.net

There are lot down side if it is outside No Backup or Restore No Profile Data backup/restore Far more configurable and lot good option With Steam it forever with Bethesda they could decide to close it down it in a few years you know that Blizzard Entertainment had bad habit of doing with there game

Good, one more reason not to buy this game. - no decent story or story whatsoever [checked] - same old, buggy Fallout 4 game engine [checked] - pvp garbage ruining your game experience [checked] - horrid technical support [checked] - custom, niche DRM / game launcher [checked]

FrostNixon:

Biggest problem of Steam is the 30% cut. That's why it's expensive .

Well, servers don't run on air. You need to buy or rent servers, pay for power, internet traffic, air-conditioning, technical support, programmers team. Thousands of games are released on steam and their developers can deal with this share. Also developers don't have to brother with all above stuff. Bethesda is just greedy and wants to maximize their profits. Also games on Steam tent to have higher prices than regional prices in many countries, so I think Bethesda wouldn't loose that match.

386SX:

Steam ... not even once. Steam ... where games own YOU. ;)

It is a downside that Steam forces in many games to be always online on the biggest issue is that it forces game updates, like Windows 10. But I can't image to go back and install games from DVD these days or to deal with some crappy game client that throws random errors at you all the time, e.g. Battle.Net Launcher. I've already have 6 game launchers / DRM installed on my PC. So when a company wants me to install another one, I'm like @company: Go funk yourself.

fOrTy_7:

Well, servers don't run on air. You need to buy or rent servers, pay for power, internet traffic, air-conditioning, technical support, programmers team. Thousands of games are released on steam and their developers can deal with this share. Also developers don't have to brother with all above stuff. Bethesda is just greedy and wants to maximize their profits. Also games on Steam tent to have higher prices than regional prices in many countries, so I think Bethesda wouldn't loose that match.

So true, I don't think that going to maximize their profits by much at most maybe 5% at best because now they have pay for outside service plus they deal all other stuff need make it work and maintenance and what ever else.

RzrTrek:

I don't want another buggy launcher for my games. Steam is the only DRM I need at this point. Also Bethesda trying to maximize their microtransaction profits is disgusting. However there's NO excuse to PIRATE your game! If you don't like it, don't get it. It's as simple as that. You know it's criminal, wrong and ugly, save yourself the hassle.

No Im happy buying it after I get to try it thank you. Not throwing my money away.

What is one more company launcher to the mix? I will be reather pissed if they do same with the next elder scrolls game All my game for pc are in 3 places, steam/gog or on physical discs I never liked the fallout games either but I do like elder scroll games between all the elder scroll games I probably have well ober 10000 hours in them, any not single one actual beat yet. I did recently manage to finish the main quest from skyrim though. wonder IF i can finish the other 3 expanisions before starting a new game haha

With steam, I have the ability to refund games, big picture mode, community features like reviews, discussions, and trading cards, and my pc gaming history from the past 7 years excluding diablo 3 and ac4 black flag. Most importantly, they've been doing this for so long that I trust them. Does bethesda expect me to have a 2fa app on my phone too when they eventually get compromised? Why on earth would I want to give up all these just so bethesda can make some more money? lol fuck off. I passed on that quake game even for free because it wanted me to make an account with them and I intend to do it again if they shove that garbage in single player games. I'm fine if they go the gog and uplay route of having it on both plats (you know, actual competition instead of taking your ball and going home) but I don't want a client and forced login for single player games. If they want to go that way then I fully expect a rot to set in soon enough and end up being publishers I ignore like EA and Activision.

TimmyP:

No Im happy buying it after I get to try it thank you. Not throwing my money away.

Except you'll never buy it. That's what all pirates say. "I try before I buy" and 99.9% of them never do. You're part of the reason these launchers and DRM out the a$$ exist

nhlkoho:

Except you'll never buy it. That's what all pirates say. "I try before I buy" and 99.9% of them never do. You're part of the reason these launchers and DRM out the a$$ exist

Sure, nobody forces pirates to pirate games, it's entirely their decision, but on the other hand there are no game demos anymore either, which is entirely fault of publishers.

Member the times when we had demos come in CDs to try out? I member. Now we have pre-release sales of games that have not even entered Beta. How the times have changed.

bigfutus:

Sure, nobody forces pirates to pirate games, it's entirely their decision, but on the other hand there are no game demos anymore either, which is entirely fault of publishers.

Add to that private / pre-order exclusive game betas, paid pre-launch trial periods (EA) and what not. Above of that all, apart from Steam non other platform accepts almost unconditional refunds of games. On Steam you can refund a game if you played less that 2 hours and bought it in less that two weeks ago. No matter the reason. Two hours is rather short to try a game, resolve potential technical issues, etc., but if you buy total garbage game you can usually tell within that period of time. And no I do not pirate games, I don't have time for that, nor I would want to compromise my system with some 0-day crypto-a$$, bitcoin-mining malware. I just don't buy them. One of many Steam features are free weekends. If you have a game on your Wishlist that you're uncertain you want to buy it is a great opportunity to test it.

sverek:

Member the times when we had demos come in CDs to try out? I member. Now we have pre-release sales of games that have not even entered Beta. How the times have changed.

Yeah, good old times. I'm gonna miss them.

sverek:

Member the times when we had demos come in CDs to try out? I member. Now we have pre-release sales of games that have not even entered Beta. How the times have changed.

https://i.imgflip.com/1bu888.jpg Used to buy game magazines for the demos before I bought games, before I had internet...

fantaskarsef:

https://i.imgflip.com/1bu888.jpg Used to buy game magazines for the demos before I bought games, before I had internet...

Me too! I have a big game folder filled with pc and playstation demo's haha.. those were fun times.