Delidded Core i7 8700K Processor Spotted

fry178

2017-10-04 22:31

No byo customer needs the gpu part. And anyone claiming there is a big market for companies, really? Not one govt office i've been in, had more than i5s, same for most other large companies, the few that do run i7 for desktops are the exception rather than the rule. And even IF it's an i7, you guys wanna tell me its an unit clocked to 5ghz under water? #wannaseethosespreadsheets... Besides that, anyone wants to explain why a company that makes a 10B$ profit a year cant make the same cpu but without the igpu part (no added cores etc), when someone else (that doesn't even make 1B$/y) does offer just that (unlocked AND no igpu). Lol for logic ppl.

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Loophole35

2017-10-04 22:51

fry178:

No byo customer needs the gpu part. And anyone claiming there is a big market for companies, really? Not one gov office ive been in, had more than i5s, same for most other large companies, and the few that do are the exception rather than the rule. And even IF it's an i7, you guys wanna tell me its a K unit clocked to 5ghz under water? #wannaseethosespreadsheets... Besides that, anyone wants to explain why a company that makes a 10B$ profit a year cant makr the same cpu without the igpu (no added cores etc) when someone else doesn't even make 1B$/y but does offer just that. Lol for logic ppl.

So you are advocating a separate line for unlocked multi's. The only difference from a 8700 to an 8700k is the unlocked multi. Is this the ideal solution probably not but it's the model Intel chose to go with.

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fry178

2017-10-05 05:19

sorry, didnt make that clear enough: not the unlocked part, but about the igpu. they should make k ones without the gpu, and non-k with it. no gamer/oc'er really needs the igpu (buys the -k). no one in an "office" environment is ocing it to 5ghz under water (thus they buy non-k), the few times it does apply, is the exception that proves the rule.

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Emille

2017-10-05 07:40

When the hell is the guru 3d review going up? It's 5pm on the 5th here....I thought they wete being released on paper on the fifth? Surely they must be going up in the next 24hrs.

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sverek

2017-10-05 08:42

Emille:

When the hell is the guru 3d review going up? It's 5pm on the 5th here....I thought they wete being released on paper on the fifth? Surely they must be going up in the next 24hrs.

Considering the fact that Intel doesn't supply EU reviewers with hardware, I wouldn't hold your breath.

Here in the EU Intel killed all marketing, press and PR activities. Hence the majority of media all over Europe is not receiving any information from Intel anymore, that’s the same samples wise. So the review you see today is courtesy of a board-partner as Intel does not seed these processor samples for review anymore - but apparently all media in the USA are seeded.

source : http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/intel-core-i9-7900x-processor-review,1.html Not sure if situation got better.

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nz3777

2017-10-05 09:00

Now looking at that die-shot you guys posted earlier How can you guys tell whats what?! How can you tell what the cores are and what the i-gpu is? To me it just looks like a messy painting a kid made haha. Thanks for any help on this btw.

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Loophole35

2017-10-05 11:46

fry178:

sorry, didnt make that clear enough: not the unlocked part, but about the igpu. they should make k ones without the gpu, and non-k with it. no gamer/oc'er really needs the igpu (buys the -k). no one in an "office" environment is ocing it to 5ghz under water (thus they buy non-k), the few times it does apply, is the exception that proves the rule.

Simple answer is it would cost more money to produce a separate line.

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fry178

2017-10-05 19:54

Amd does it, intel makes multiple time more money. Laughable at best..

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Agent-A01

2017-10-05 20:43

fry178:

sorry, didnt make that clear enough: not the unlocked part, but about the igpu. they should make k ones without the gpu, and non-k with it. no gamer/oc'er really needs the igpu (buys the -k). no one in an "office" environment is ocing it to 5ghz under water (thus they buy non-k), the few times it does apply, is the exception that proves the rule.

There have been a few times that the iGPU has come in handy on K CPUs. So no, it doesn't make sense to omit a part that can be useful; plus it doesn't cause any issues either. Your idea is unnecessary

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fry178

2017-10-06 04:58

@Agent-A01 my idea isnt unnecessary, maybe its execution. a "few times" isnt "always", anyway. and again, amd has a much smaller market share, makes multiple times less money and still produce a cpu without gpu part, while intel won't. so the cost more money argument is BS. anyone i know (friends/family/customers) that runs i7 or higher, has a dedicated gpu. for the few times of troubleshooting i dont need a igpu. how many times have you had a flat tire in your life?? yet almost all cars drive around with additional 20-50 lbs for a spare tire, wasting fuel and producing more emissions all year for the one time you need it, instead of calling a friend/tow or have a bottle of fixaflat in the car.

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Loophole35

2017-10-06 12:57

fry178:

@Agent-A01 my idea isnt unnecessary, maybe its execution. a "few times" isnt "always", anyway. and again, amd has a much smaller market share, makes multiple times less money and still produce a cpu without gpu part, while intel won't. so the cost more money argument is BS. anyone i know (friends/family/customers) that runs i7 or higher, has a dedicated gpu. for the few times of troubleshooting i dont need a igpu. how many times have you had a flat tire in your life?? yet almost all cars drive around with additional 20-50 lbs for a spare tire, wasting fuel and producing more emissions all year for the one time you need it, instead of calling a friend/tow or have a bottle of fixaflat in the car.

No cell reception and the tire shredded. Yep it's there get over it. You don't like it don't buy it. Coming in here bitching like a teenage girl on the rag for the first time over a product you obviously have no intention of buying won't change a thing. Stop trolling every Intel thread.

#5479053

Denial

2017-10-06 13:27

fry178:

Amd does it, intel makes multiple time more money. Laughable at best..

Maybe the reason why Intel makes multiple time more money, is because they don't do it?

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Loophole35

2017-10-06 13:52

Back on topic of the actual article. If that is really what the 8700k looks like under the heat spreader, then Intel is basically telling us to delid. No caps or resistors next to the die in fact nothing but the die on the top. This will temp many users that have been apprehensive in the past about deliding to take the plunge this time.

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pimpineasy

2017-10-06 13:57

few years ago intel didnt have igpu on cpu die all intel fanboy talk shit about apu now look they just scared amd would suck up market.

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airbud7

2017-10-06 13:59

while I agree Loophole^...Hilbert stated 8700k can reach 5.0GHZ with proper cooling.

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Loophole35

2017-10-06 14:22

airbud7:

while I agree Loophole^...Hilbert stated 8700k can reach 5.0GHZ with proper cooling.

Samples are still topping 80°C though and I would prefer to keep my CPU at a lower temp for extended periods of time.

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airbud7

2017-10-06 14:30

Good Point^

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vbetts

Moderator

2017-10-06 14:51

Warrax:

You don't need more cores...you need an SSD and maybe RAM if you use a lot.

This is the issue with most office machines. They usually have slower hard drives with low cache, and a lower amount of ram. My work Surface Book I don't have this issue, but the Surface book also a little bit more in cost compared to a budget office laptop.

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Truder

2017-10-06 14:57

fry178:

@Agent-A01 my idea isnt unnecessary, maybe its execution. a "few times" isnt "always", anyway. and again, amd has a much smaller market share, makes multiple times less money and still produce a cpu without gpu part, while intel won't. so the cost more money argument is BS. anyone i know (friends/family/customers) that runs i7 or higher, has a dedicated gpu. for the few times of troubleshooting i dont need a igpu. how many times have you had a flat tire in your life?? yet almost all cars drive around with additional 20-50 lbs for a spare tire, wasting fuel and producing more emissions all year for the one time you need it, instead of calling a friend/tow or have a bottle of fixaflat in the car.

It's always better to have it and not need it then to need it and not have it.

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Agent-A01

2017-10-06 16:29

fry178:

@Agent-A01 my idea isnt unnecessary, maybe its execution. a "few times" isnt "always", anyway. and again, amd has a much smaller market share, makes multiple times less money and still produce a cpu without gpu part, while intel won't. so the cost more money argument is BS. anyone i know (friends/family/customers) that runs i7 or higher, has a dedicated gpu. for the few times of troubleshooting i dont need a igpu. how many times have you had a flat tire in your life?? yet almost all cars drive around with additional 20-50 lbs for a spare tire, wasting fuel and producing more emissions all year for the one time you need it, instead of calling a friend/tow or have a bottle of fixaflat in the car.

Your analogy is lacking any correlation to igp. Is this igp sucking power, reducing OC etc? Nope it's not. I've used igp for troubleshooting when I didn't have any other pcie gpus for spare use. Just because you'll never use it doesn't mean anyone else will NEVER use it.