TLD LARS:

Why compare a unicorn DDR4 kit to bare PCB DDR5 kits? The 4400c19 kit still cost half of what the Dell DDR5 sticks cost. My 3600 B-die sticks are still 40% less then the bare Dell DDR5 sticks, Half price when the extra cooling on the naked DDR5 sticks are factored in. Naked DDR5 sticks can reach 80 degrees at 1.35-1.4V.

Sounds like you need to do another price comparison. DDR4-3600 C14-15-15-36 is $230 at Newegg. DDR5-6000 C36 is $235. TPU uses a similar test setup to those specs for CPU benchmarks, DDR4-3600 C14 for the AMD / Intel systems *and* DDR5-6000 for the Intel systems. Bottom line is the Intel systems are faster. Even the 5800X3D lost to the 12900KS when using that faster DDR5-6000 RAM. It was super close, call it a tie. Now interpolate if you spend an extra $120 on DDR5-6600 C32, which is about $360. Not only faster transfers but lower latency as well. Bottom line is that 2022 will be the last hurrah for DDR4 as far as any real performance enthusiast is concerned. There's already a performance delta and that's going to just get bigger. Meanwhile the price delta has already all but disappeared.

TLD LARS:

Why compare a unicorn DDR4 kit to bare PCB DDR5 kits? The 4400c19 kit still cost half of what the Dell DDR5 sticks cost. My 3600 B-die sticks are still 40% less then the bare Dell DDR5 sticks, Half price when the extra cooling on the naked DDR5 sticks are factored in. Naked DDR5 sticks can reach 80 degrees at 1.35-1.4V.

Drunk? Have you ACTUAL tested naked DDR5 sticks yourself? Looks like someone red too much on the big internet LOL If you don't know, it's better to not write something....

Hilbert Hagedoorn:

The initial batch will include the Core i9-13900K, Core i7-13700K, and Core i5-13600K processors,

Would you be able to pair up these with B660 boards?

shady28:

Sounds like you need to do another price comparison. DDR4-3600 C14-15-15-36 is $230 at Newegg. DDR5-6000 C36 is $235. TPU uses a similar test setup to those specs for CPU benchmarks, DDR4-3600 C14 for the AMD / Intel systems *and* DDR5-6000 for the Intel systems. Bottom line is the Intel systems are faster. Even the 5800X3D lost to the 12900KS when using that faster DDR5-6000 RAM. It was super close, call it a tie. Now interpolate if you spend an extra $120 on DDR5-6600 C32, which is about $360. Not only faster transfers but lower latency as well. Bottom line is that 2022 will be the last hurrah for DDR4 as far as any real performance enthusiast is concerned. There's already a performance delta and that's going to just get bigger. Meanwhile the price delta has already all but disappeared.

Nizzen said naked dell I feel lucky today DDR5 memory are now half the price of handpicked record breaking xmp DDR4. He is technically correct, but why compare them?

nizzen:

Drunk? Have you ACTUAL tested naked DDR5 sticks yourself? Looks like someone red too much on the big internet LOL If you don't know, it's better to not write something....

Igors lab made thermal images of the sticks, what evidence have you provided?

nizzen:

1.55v isn't near max. It's doable for 24/7 aircooling 🙂 Now you learned something new today also 😉 I'm betting that more than me is using 1.5-1.55v for ddr4 on Zen 3 too, to run 3800c14 tight 😉 Even my daughter is doing that, and she is doing it on air.

Max ddr5 xmp so far is 1.40v, 1.55v is a lot compared to it. And not everyone uses extra fan on ram, just saying.

-Tj-:

Max ddr5 xmp so far is 1.40v, 1.55v is a lot compared to it. And not everyone uses extra fan on ram, just saying.

DDR4 4000c14 is 1.55v, and everyone using it have airflow over them. That's for shure. No airflow for the gpu and cpu does the same. They are heating up. There are allways people that don't have a clue 😛 The point is: People that "needs" extra performance tend to know how to cool it. There are still many people that don't go into bios to turn on XMP, and they aren't on any hardware forums 😉 So why say "not everyone uses extrea fan on ram? Maybe they don't need it 😀

TLD LARS:

It does not make sense for me that single is the same but multi is much better. Does single run in cache or why does mem speed not matter with single? To me this looks more like a reviewer that did not set the power limits correctly, so the DDR5 board boost higher in multi then the cheaper DDR4 board does.

Exactly my thinking. I can imagine lower gains, but running slower than with DDR4 honestly baffles me.

Undying:

I told you buying a z690 dd4 board was a stupid idea. 😛

Well, DDR5 is more future proof and it`s normal it will perform better in the future but the DDR4 versions were cheaper, so it`s question of-trade offs.