Hi Hilbert, on page 11 @"PCMark8 - Storage - Photoshop Light" the order between WD Blue SN500 250GB and Plextor M9Pe 512GB look a bit mixed. Greetings, TJ

Checking, thanks.

"It shatters records given the right conditions".....when its empty, I have 2 nvme drives and 3 ssd drives, they`re all over half full and yet the standard ssd`s still hold close to there original speed but the nvme drives have dropped off more than 25% off there original (empty) speed, in the real world drives are not left empty and this should be reflected in the advertising, that aside.....great review.

Wow, the Guru3D team has been busy with a lot of great reviews this week! 🙂

The Goose:

"It shatters records given the right conditions".....when its empty, I have 2 nvme drives and 3 ssd drives, they`re all over half full and yet the standard ssd`s still hold close to there original speed but the nvme drives have dropped off more than 25% off there original (empty) speed, in the real world drives are not left empty and this should be reflected in the advertising, that aside.....great review.

Well, if you care about real-world results, you probably wouldn't get an NVMe drive in the first place. Except for really high-end workloads (like raw 4K video editing or handling large databases), NVMe drives just aren't worth the extra cost and thermal overhead. They're great if you care about bragging rights.

I'd probably hang fire on these until the tech has matured enough to saturate the 8 GB/s it's theoretically capable of :P

schmidtbag:

Well, if you care about real-world results, you probably wouldn't get an NVMe drive in the first place. Except for really high-end workloads (like raw 4K video editing or handling large databases), NVMe drives just aren't worth the extra cost and thermal overhead. They're great if you care about bragging rights.

I agree. The vast majority of users will benefit more from improvements in QD1, and we're yet to see great advances here and that really is a bit disappointing given how long SSD's have been in circulation.

Guys, this drive is complete failure and trash, here are some facts: 1) Based on Gilberts test it lost in real life benchmark to its younger brother and tons of otehr drives 2) The copy speed is relevant up to 75GB 3) It doesnt show its peed in any real world test, only synthetic 4) last gen drives using Physon Controller run cooler without heatsink, all drives using this PCIe GEN4 Controller, come with HUGE ASS heatsinks, if you go to MP600 amazon page, people ask if they can remove it and use the one that comes with Motherboard, Official corsair rep answered that only if you use water cooling, using motherboard heatsink is not supported and that this drive is meant to be used with the heatsinkit it comes and thats it. 5) 2TB MP600 costs 450$, 2TB MP510 costs 250, for 500USD you can get TWO 2TB MP510 drive, use one for games one for work and get FASTER performance then from this drive, you can do RAID0 and get 90% read speed increase and 100% write speed increase, you can do RAID1 and get faster reads and security if you keep important files on this drive. So economically this drive isnt worth it, if it ws 300$ vs 350$ for MP510 then yes it logical, you pay little extra for new Controller, everything else is the same, same NAND, same work, etc [heatsink is 5$]

no nvme is worth the price for current software and game development practices, they don't use deep queued resource loaders which is where nvme would shine.

A couple of years ago a 64 GB SSD was hot stuff

Uhhh wat

Mesab67:

I agree. The vast majority of users will benefit more from improvements in QD1, and we're yet to see great advances here and that really is a bit disappointing given how long SSD's have been in circulation.

This is where Intel does better with 760p and far better with Optane.

schmidtbag:

Well, if you care about real-world results, you probably wouldn't get an NVMe drive in the first place. Except for really high-end workloads (like raw 4K video editing or handling large databases), NVMe drives just aren't worth the extra cost and thermal overhead. They're great if you care about bragging rights.

I got one because the Black Friday offer didn't make it much more expensive than a SATA one, but more importantly I'm out of SATA connectors. I don't really care if it's faster than a SATA SSD (as long as it's not slower). I just needed the space. The only other choice would have been to replace a SATA SSD with a larger one, which, in fact, I also did. So, there's that scenario as well.

schmidtbag:

Well, if you care about real-world results, you probably wouldn't get an NVMe drive in the first place. Except for really high-end workloads (like raw 4K video editing or handling large databases), NVMe drives just aren't worth the extra cost and thermal overhead. They're great if you care about bragging rights.

Why would i need to brag about owning a Samsung 970pro 1tb and a Crucial P1 1tb, as for usage...they make a big difference....not just to windows desktop usage but to game loading times as well.....i know....i have 2 plus a Samsung 850 EVO 2TB SSD, a Sandisk Ultra II 960gb, a an OCZ vertex 512gb drive....but im not bragging, i work for a living and my pc is my main hobby.

schmidtbag:

Well, if you care about real-world results, you probably wouldn't get an NVMe drive in the first place. Except for really high-end workloads (like raw 4K video editing or handling large databases), NVMe drives just aren't worth the extra cost and thermal overhead. They're great if you care about bragging rights.

Right now High quality NVMe with far higher TBW costs less money then quality SATA SSD Compare Corsair 2Tb MP510 vs Samsung 2TB 860 EVO regualr price [280$], corsair was going for 259$, today they lowered it to 252$ [it doesnt say discount so its permanent], there is another brand using same controller and NAND, Sabernet Rocket, they go for 2TB for 220$ compare it to Crucial MX500 2TB for 230$ or even to 860EVO 280$ I dream when 2Tb SATA SSD drop to their PROPER price bracket, Samung 860EVO should cost 200-220USD and no cent more, Corsair MX500, 189-199$ [it already does lots of time price drops] Some time ago I got one 860EVO 2TB on deep discount on amazon uk and only got one like a tard, now i need another one for RAID0 [im going with ASUS X570 so it has 8 SATA ports, need to fill and my case with water cooling has space for 3 3.5Inch HDDs] I also got MP510 2TB that i want to RAID0 [much cheaper then buying PCIe GEN4 MP600 and twice the space] P.S. About Thermals, I owned 2 generations of NVMe drives: Corsair MP500 1TB using last gen controller and moved to 2Tb MP510 using latest PCIe Gen3 controller. I can tell you that last gen controller was heating up, without heat sink could do 100 Celsius under load [it also sits under the GPU] I got Chinese heat sink with small micro fan inside, maybe 15mm or 10mm fan and with the heat sink it lowered the temps to 40 on idle and 60 on load. BUT when I moved to MP510 hetasink was unnecessary, the improvement in heat reduction is undeniable, it still under my GPU and only uses the on board Gigabyte "Hip looking" "Heat sink" which is just a flimsy aluminum that not attached directly to the NVMe but sits on top of it and it idles at 34 and loads to 50ish The PCIe Gen4 NVMe drive [at least the first gen models that came out now] are room heaters. If all PCIe Gen4 tech works like this [co far the chipset with fan, the NVMes, the NAVI cards that can boost to 95 celsius, it looks like PCIe Gen4 is not a good diea in this regard]

Those are some pretty trippy speeds for just one M.2 card. I have 2x Intel 760p 2TB M.2's running in RAID 0 with VROC. I get similar read speeds but not quite the write speedshttps://i.imgur.com/qXOEYqY.jpg

Kaarme:

I got one because the Black Friday offer didn't make it much more expensive than a SATA one, but more importantly I'm out of SATA connectors. I don't really care if it's faster than a SATA SSD (as long as it's not slower). I just needed the space. The only other choice would have been to replace a SATA SSD with a larger one, which, in fact, I also did. So, there's that scenario as well.

Sure, makes sense. If the price is mostly the same for better performance (even if realistically you won't use that performance) then yeah, might as well get the NVMe drive.

My 2x adata sx8200pro 1TB https://www.diskusjon.no/uploads/monthly_06_2019/post-42975-0-04551000-1559468032.png Better and WAY cheaper https://images.app.goo.gl/26g1eQfdoX2CXiH38

what does some raid have to do with any single drive review, irrelevant

Alex13:

what does some raid have to do with any single drive review, irrelevant

More than youre comment... You just posting for more postcount?

Clearly, 2 decades, i'm really working hard to get so many posts, definition of spammer. You're comparing apples to oranges, crappy drive raid 0 vs expensive new controller single drive, yeah makes a lot of sense.. not