Core i9-13900K Raptor Lake would be 15% faster than the Core i9-12900K and 35% faster than Ryzen 9 5950X

#6022844

Undying

2022-06-04 13:52

TheDeeGee:

For some reason 13900 sounds less impressive than 12900.

And the naming is getting ridiculous.

#6022861

Venix

2022-06-04 14:38

"leaks" upon "leaks" from everywhere throwing % number from both sides ..... Really those say absolutely nothing ....they will get released and Hilbert reviews will tell us exactly what's what till then I do not even bother . Hell with my 5800x non 3d .... There is a high chance I will skip am5 all together except if for some reason I need something faster. Since I game on 1440p uthz .... Even my 1600 was enough for me ...I just updated cause I could ... And 4+ years I wanted a new CPU 😛. If I had to change mb... And ram tooiwould have been waiting for zen 4 or zen5 or rocket lake....maybe even further !

#6022863

Undying

2022-06-04 14:44

Venix:

"leaks" upon "leaks" from everywhere throwing % number from both sides ..... Really those say absolutely nothing ....they will get released and Hilbert reviews will tell us exactly what's what till then I do not even bother . Hell with my 5800x non 3d .... There is a high chance I will skip am5 all together except if for some reason I need something faster. Since I game on 1440p uthz .... Even my 1600 was enough for me ...I just updated cause I could ... And 4+ years I wanted a new CPU 😛. If I had to change mb... And ram tooiwould have been waiting for zen 4 or zen5 or rocket lake....maybe even further !

So when are you buying a new gpu? I mean 5800x and gtx1060 arent the best pair. :P

#6022867

nizzen

2022-06-04 14:59

waltc3:

Intel is so interesting these days...almost all of their present advertising deals with "what's coming in a few months we hope", or "in a few years, we hope, etc." And of course, they are comparing the hypothetical CPU set for October release at the earliest with a CPU AMD has been shipping for a year+. Not one word about what AMD will be shipping in and about October, though. Perfectly silent about that...in light of what AMD/Hallock has revealed about the 40% uplift of Zen4 over the same Zen 3 core count, at a 170W TDP, it's probably not surprising of intel to post a theoretical comparison with an old Zen3, without mention of TDP...

Comparing power consumetion in gaming and rendering is very different, so it's better to say in what scenario the power consume is. For gamers, powerconsume in rendering is not important. Max powerdraw in Prime95 avx2 isn't either. PS: I know there are barly any gamers here on Guru3d. Most people here play Cinebench 24/7 😛

Neo Cyrus:

Sounds like it'll still lose to the 5800X3D in some games and that Raphael is going to absolutely shrek it.

Sounds like someone like to run slow DDR5 🙄 Very few games is faster with 5800x3D over 12900k IF both are using max tuned memory. Memory performance is the key. Running stock cpu and XMP, 5800x3D is the best option (for noobs) 😉

#6022868

H83

2022-06-04 15:00

TheDeeGee:

For some reason 13900 sounds less impressive than 12900.

Sounds like a small upgrade. But if they can improve power consumption, that would be better than more performance.

#6022883

Valken

2022-06-04 16:32

nizzen:

Very few games is faster with 5800x3D over 12900k IF both are using max tuned memory. Memory performance is the key. Running stock cpu and XMP, 5800x3D is the best option (for noobs) 😉

I think this is a valid point. The systems should be benched at MAX performance to see what is possible, but then also add a $ figure to it for FPS per $ for example. Best bang for the buck now is either 5600 or 5700x or 12600K maxed out I think. Peeps will say 12400F but on a B series MB, it won't be maxed out at all. Z Mb would be near useless unless it has b-clock and those that do cost a fortune that a 12600K on a more bang for the buck Z MB would be better, assuming other components the same.

#6022898

Dragam1337

2022-06-04 18:18

Valken:

I think this is a valid point. The systems should be benched at MAX performance to see what is possible, but then also add a $ figure to it for FPS per $ for example. Best bang for the buck now is either 5600 or 5700x or 12600K maxed out I think. Peeps will say 12400F but on a B series MB, it won't be maxed out at all. Z Mb would be near useless unless it has b-clock and those that do cost a fortune that a 12600K on a more bang for the buck Z MB would be better, assuming other components the same.

12400f on a B series chipset board is like half the price of a 12600k on a Z series board... and even maxed out, the 12600k is not that much faster than 12400f in games...

#6022902

user1

2022-06-04 18:36

curious to see how the power consumption is, given that it will still be on intel 7 (aka 10nm sf) hopefully the gains will be architectural and not power envelope related.

#6022934

TLD LARS

2022-06-04 22:16

nizzen:

Comparing power consumetion in gaming and rendering is very different, so it's better to say in what scenario the power consume is. For gamers, powerconsume in rendering is not important. Max powerdraw in Prime95 avx2 isn't either. PS: I know there are barly any gamers here on Guru3d. Most people here play Cinebench 24/7 😛 Sounds like someone like to run slow DDR5 🙄 Very few games is faster with 5800x3D over 12900k IF both are using max tuned memory. Memory performance is the key. Running stock cpu and XMP, 5800x3D is the best option (for noobs) 😉

If someone is only gaming, why bother with a 12900k? Run a 12700k at the same speeds and get the same performance. You keep bringing up the "Cinebench 24/7 😛" joke, but the only reason the 12900k exists, is to keep pace with the 5950 in rendering. The extra E-cores do so little in games.

#6022971

tunejunky

2022-06-05 02:03

i kid Intel often and browbeat them a bit too. but my perspective is a bit different. oh i agree with what you all are saying about sandbagging and specs. but Intel managed to make Intel 7 work and get a return on their massively overdue investment. so that was the function of AL. RL has a similar function in being a "bridge" technology. and RL will be very nice and sell well. but i won't buy even though it's better than before. the function of RL is to mainstream Intel 4 and transition the uArch to a "disaggregated" design (like AMD). but for me the only thing i'm interested in is Meteor Lake and it's been that way since the roadmap came out. i'm going to have a good year on an AM 5 platform before i look at Intel because that's (imho) when they get truly competitive w/o cherry-picking advantageous stats.

#6022979

Hmph

2022-06-05 03:17

butjer1010:

zen 4 could be 15-19% faster than zen 3 clock to clock. Did You count 5,8GHz to 4,9GHz? That is cca 15 - 20% more faster? Or did i misread something?

Highly doubt zen 4 is going to end up having 15-20 percent IPC gains. General consensus rn is more like ~10 percent.

#6022980

Hmph

2022-06-05 03:19

Neo Cyrus:

Sounds like it'll still lose to the 5800X3D in some games and that Raphael is going to absolutely shrek it.

Who does it sound like too? Mind I remind you of the >15 percent ST gains slide from zen 4? And I'm sure the 5800X3D will beat even Raphael in some games until it gets its own 3d variant

#6023056

Neo Cyrus

2022-06-05 16:11

nizzen:

Very few games is faster with 5800x3D over 12900k IF both are using max tuned memory. Memory performance is the key. Running stock cpu and XMP, 5800x3D is the best option (for noobs) 😉

That's not what all the reviews I saw showed. I'll tell you who the 5800X3D is best for: Those who don't want to piss away tons of cash for the name Intel.

#6023060

cucaulay malkin

2022-06-05 16:38

Neo Cyrus:

That's not what all the reviews I saw showed. I'll tell you who the 5800X3D is best for: Those who don't want to piss away tons of cash for the name Intel.

and piss away 500eur for amd instead meanwhile, 12600kf stock is 4% slower, at 270eur with unlocked oc [SPOILER] https://tpucdn.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d/images/relative-performance-games-1920-1080.png [/SPOILER] 5800x3d is more of an intel type product that most 10th,11th,12th gen intel products

#6023062

CPC_RedDawn

2022-06-05 16:47

Good! Competition is finally heating up! AMD went dormant for over 10 years and finally came back swinging and Intel (arguably) been dormant for 5+ years now finally waking up and putting the gloves on!!! Bring on the performance and innovation!

#6023067

Neo Cyrus

2022-06-05 17:01

cucaulay malkin:

and piss away 500eur for amd instead meanwhile, 12600kf stock is 4% slower, at 270eur with unlocked oc 5800x3d is more of an intel type product that most 10th,11th,12th gen intel products

You're forgetting the cost of the Intel board + $600 non-crap DDR5 vs the $0 for the tons of people who already had AM4 systems like me. Not to mention when it comes to having the best vs a mid range product the price gap is always going to be absurd. Of course lower end products are better value than effectively halo products... unless it's InteLMAO where you have to pay $1K for a board and RAM. Then there's the fact the 5800X3D isn't just a bit faster for some games, it's incomparable.

#6023069

cucaulay malkin

2022-06-05 17:06

Neo Cyrus:

+ $600 non-crap DDR5

how about top-tier ddr4 for 99eur all you need for a b-die kit and 200 for a z690 board with 4xnvme and pci-e 5.0 https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/PRO-Z690-A you're only off by 700, but keep rage posting lol I'll only get funnier to me when I'll actually show you how much it costs to have a z690+ddr4+12600kf system https://geizhals.de/msi-pro-z690-a-ddr4-a2625664.html https://geizhals.de/crucial-ballistix-max-dimm-kit-16gb-blm2k8g40c18u4b-a2222357.html https://geizhals.de/intel-core-i5-12600kf-v98446.html 550eur for the whole thing, with micron e-die memory that costs peanuts and runs 4000 c16 5800x3d is 500-520eur alone

Neo Cyrus:

Not to mention when it comes to having the best vs a mid range product the price gap is always going to be absurd.

yes exactly what im talking about absurd

Neo Cyrus:

Then there's the fact the 5800X3D isn't just a bit faster for some games, it's incomparable.

really ? cause I've never seen it far ahead of 12th gen and overall it's the same as 12600/12700kf with oc

#6023070

RED.Misfit

2022-06-05 17:12

butjer1010:

zen 4 could be 15-19% faster than zen 3 clock to clock. Did You count 5,8GHz to 4,9GHz? That is cca 15 - 20% more faster? Or did i misread something?

So far as we know, most of the 15-19% is coming from the speed bump and very few is coming from enhanced core/architecture performance. So unless AMD wanted to do bad marketing with computex, Zen 4 IPC versus Zen 3 IPC clock to clock should be a few percent at best. Meaning Intel has a real chance to dig a bigger hole between them & AMD. The only difference is that AMD platform gonna support at least 1 (or 2) more CPU generation, reducing the bills to upgrade your system. While Raptor Lake is already the end of their current platform meaning no CPU upgrade is possible after that.

#6023072

cucaulay malkin

2022-06-05 17:32

RED.Misfit:

So far as we know, most of the 15-19% is coming from the speed bump and very few is coming from enhanced core/architecture performance. So unless AMD wanted to do bad marketing with computex, Zen 4 IPC versus Zen 3 IPC clock to clock should be a few percent at best. Meaning Intel has a real chance to dig a bigger hole between them & AMD. The only difference is that AMD platform gonna support at least 1 (or 2) more CPU generation, reducing the bills to upgrade your system. While Raptor Lake is already the end of their current platform meaning no CPU upgrade is possible after that.

if I'm gonna build a ddr5 system, I'm going with am5 if keeping ddr4 - adl / rpl easy

#6023074

-Tj-

2022-06-05 17:39

cucaulay malkin:

how about top-tier ddr4 for 99eur all you need for a b-die kit and 200 for a z690 board with 4xnvme and pci-e 5.0 https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/PRO-Z690-A you're only off by 700, but keep rage posting lol I'll only get funnier to me when I'll actually show you how much it costs to have a z690+ddr4+12600kf system https://geizhals.de/msi-pro-z690-a-ddr4-a2625664.html https://geizhals.de/crucial-ballistix-max-dimm-kit-16gb-blm2k8g40c18u4b-a2222357.html https://geizhals.de/intel-core-i5-12600kf-v98446.html 550eur for the whole thing, with micron e-die memory that costs peanuts and runs 4000 c16 5800x3d is 500-520eur alone yes exactly what im talking about absurd really ? cause I've never seen it far ahead of 12th gen and overall it's the same as 12600/12700kf with oc

Thats not a bdie ram, crucial uses micron ram as far as im aware of I will upgrade my gskill neo bdie to corsair dominator 32gb bdie as soon as it gets back in stock https://geizhals.eu/corsair-dominator-platinum-rgb-dimm-kit-32gb-cmt32gx4m2z3600c14-a2634867.html