Yeah but how's the price of the motherboards. Are they as high as AM5.

Maddness:

Yeah but how's the price of the motherboards. Are they as high as AM5.

we have only seen the most profitable boards in the first few weeks, not saying you're wrong just saying you're early on the trigger. right now finding a b series board, or even info on the variety of them is hard (like always w/ new releases). but right now on the average the price of an X670 (vanilla) mobo is exactly the same as an average ddr 5 12th or 13th gen mobo. the X670E is priced just the same as a premium Intel board. a nice B series board is priced at or below entry level Z boards but since AMD has a history as the "bargain alternative" plus a more recent history of better for less, paying for actual value can be a bitter pill. however that has nothing to do with mobos as the specs equal the price regardless of what or whose chipset you're running on. that's how the aib market works. i thought we were all comfy on the cutting edge.

Glottiz:

Ryzen honeymoon period is over. Intel is back and most amazingly still on the old Intel 7 node. Also I don't think poor sales are rumors, but a sad reality. Last few Ryzen launches all desirable models were out of stock for 6 months or more. Now I see all 7000 CPUs readily available with ton of stock. Intel made so many clever choices with 12th and 13th gen. These efficiency cores that people used to joke about will come to haunt AMD. And supporting both DDR4 and 5 at the same time was brilliant move.

the poor sales likely have almost nothing to do with what products are on sale, monetary inflation+general downward market trend means people arent spending money are stuff , idunno about you but the cost of food here has increased by up to 50%. pc sales are down overall for the same reason, and i dont think intel will fair any better with raptor lake , other than maybe being a drop in upgrade for existing owners. i would not be surprised at all if am4 continues to sell better than am5 and lga 1700 for the next 6 months or longer due to the low platform cost. also, inb4 depression 2.0 , hope i'm wrong about that.

nevcairiel:

You have seen that a 7950X also sips its cool ~250W right? 😀 Intel can't really go above that, as it becomes uncoolable. So at peak they are likely going to be equal.

13900k is more easy to cool than 7950x. Set both cpu's to draw 200w, and 13900k is way cooler with the same cooler. 13900k has bigger die and thinner IHS. 7950x has smaller die and thicker IHS. This is one reason it's harder to cool 7950x.

user1:

the poor sales likely have almost nothing to do with what products are on sale, monetary inflation+general downward market trend means people arent spending money are stuff , idunno about you but the cost of food here has increased by up to 50%. pc sales are down overall for the same reason, and i dont think intel will fair any better with raptor lake , other than maybe being a drop in upgrade for existing owners. i would not be surprised at all if am4 continues to sell better than am5 and lga 1700 for the next 6 months or longer due to the low platform cost. also, inb4 depression 2.0 , hope i'm wrong about that.

AM 4 is positioned exactly for that reason and has new SKUs coming out for APUs. this is also 1/2 the reason behind 5800X3D. a loaded B series board w/ wifi is well under $200 idk about a "depression". inflation is a scurvy bitch and that eats into the buying power of the average folks like you said. but it's still far too early to make a call and the world is far better off than 2008-09 which was "the great recession". that said we can look at the xmas of 2008 for new release sales data during worse financial times - specifically for the pc industry. Intel is in a worse position although it's the market leader - because of 12/13/14 gens being back-to-back-to-back which creates massive confusion in the market. i actually really like RL, except for the hybrid issues with the scheduler. but the real problem for Intel is the biggest Intel fanboys went all in on Alder lake (because it was the first sniff of "new" in a long time). with all of that said, we'll be in a better position to judge the popularity after xmas (especially as it will not reflect people's current situation)

tunejunky:

AM 4 is positioned exactly for that reason and has new SKUs coming out for APUs. this is also 1/2 the reason behind 5800X3D. a loaded B series board w/ wifi is well under $200 idk about a "depression". inflation is a scurvy bitch and that eats into the buying power of the average folks like you said. but it's still far too early to make a call and the world is far better off than 2008-09 which was "the great recession". that said we can look at the xmas of 2008 for new release sales data during worse financial times - specifically for the pc industry. Intel is in a worse position although it's the market leader - because of 12/13/14 gens being back-to-back-to-back which creates massive confusion in the market. i actually really like RL, except for the hybrid issues with the scheduler. but the real problem for Intel is the biggest Intel fanboys went all in on Alder lake (because it was the first sniff of "new" in a long time). with all of that said, we'll be in a better position to judge the popularity after xmas (especially as it will not reflect people's current situation)

All I can say is that when your "representatives" start talking about using price caps to stop inflation, or investigating local grocery stores for collusion on the price of bread. rather than addressing supply shortages, or monetary inflation. Its well... not a good sign. I do agree though that after xmas we'll have a better idea of where everything stands(pc marketwise).

user1:

All I can say is that when your "representatives" start talking about using price caps to stop inflation, or investigating local grocery stores for collusion on the price of bread. rather than addressing supply shortages, or monetary inflation. Its well... not a good sign. I do agree though that after xmas we'll have a better idea of where everything stands(pc marketwise).

I'm expecting Zen4 X3D to sell better than Zen 4. If I build a Zen 4 based gaming PC, there is no chance in hell I am going to do it now knowing that the 3D-Vcache chips will likely be much better. At the very least, I am going to wait for the 3rd party reviews. If you read the comments on 3rd party reviews for the 7000 series CPUs, you will see a LOT of people saying variations of "imagine how much better the 3D-Vcache chips are going to be". AMD let the everyone know that they should wait when they released the 5800X3D.

nosirrahx:

I'm expecting Zen4 X3D to sell better than Zen 4. If I build a Zen 4 based gaming PC, there is no chance in hell I am going to do it now knowing that the 3D-Vcache chips will likely be much better. At the very least, I am going to wait for the 3rd party reviews. If you read the comments on 3rd party reviews for the 7000 series CPUs, you will see a LOT of people saying variations of "imagine how much better the 3D-Vcache chips are going to be". AMD let the everyone know that they should wait when they released the 5800X3D.

so true for actual gamers, but i don't know what data they were projecting for the very real market for these 7xxx non 3D. sometimes the design teams are working too far ahead (as in this case) without updating the market conditions. it's a very tough time for the market to understand a new socket and faster memory are required just to compete. Intel has been working overtime on RL yet OEM orders are running 35% below average - and AMD isn't making up that entire difference in OEM sales (where Intel rules). i'm presuming most of of think AMD should have held their water and pushed back the launch date to incl 3D cache. that would've given the categorical upper hand to AMD in the minds of their target audience. when you ask for more money nowadays you really have to come with the features as the consumers are starting to look at purchases with the same cold eyes as the corporations look at profit/loss