Computex 2017: Intel Launches X299, Kabylake-X, and Skylake-X

EL1TE

2017-05-30 10:32

I'm surprised the DDR4 is 2666 on Intel, AMD can already do 4GHz with the new AGESA. And the 7820X (8 Core) costs 600$, so in Europe will be even more. I don't see how Intel is going to get away with these prices lol. Not to mention them kinda forcing manufacturers to bundle Intel Optane on Intel Chipset boards which further increses the final price, since if people want to buy one of these new CPUs they also have to buy a montherboard. ^^ Now i just want to see the price of the AMD Threaripper CPUs.

#5437301

Emille

2017-05-30 10:34

Damn, still no speed specs for skylake x.

#5437316

nevcairiel

2017-05-30 11:06

I'm surprised the DDR4 is 2666 on Intel, AMD can already do 4GHz with the new AGESA.

OC RAM has always worked just fine on Intel platforms, these specs are the "default" non-OC mode, and has always been conservatively low.

#5437317

WhiteLightning

Moderator

2017-05-30 11:14

Damn, still no speed specs for skylake x.

only lower ones so far https://abload.de/img/capturep8u8x.png

#5437318

Ryu5uzaku

2017-05-30 11:20

only lower ones so far https://abload.de/img/capturep8u8x.png

Estimate prices? I am guessing more then 2000€ for that 18/36. Because I doubt the jump from 10 to 12 core is that small. 😀

#5437322

Ursopro

2017-05-30 11:26

Pretty amazing! but the price and how much do we need those extra cores that isn't really what we need right now... Most games don't need all and most software!

#5437329

Loophole35

2017-05-30 11:39

Estimate prices? I am guessing more then 2000€ for that 18/36. Because I doubt the jump from 10 to 12 core is that small. 😀

Prices in second slide. 18/36 is $1999. 8/16 is $599 I was pretty close on all the lower end prices.

#5437335

Emille

2017-05-30 11:57

only lower ones so far https://abload.de/img/capturep8u8x.png

Thanks, that covers all the parts I would ever be interested in buying anyway. O.T With the older chips like my 6700k....whatever the quoted turbo boost frequency was, was basically also a speed you could do a stock voltage overclock to with perfect stability as a rule. But with this new, multi stage turbo boost thing I don't really know what to expect from overclocking. 4ghz for the 10 core part or 4.2ghz for the 8 core part would be what I would hope for but don't know it that's too high to expect. I'm done trying to overclock to the highest possible value and dealing with the instability it brings, with either a cpu or a gpu. I want a half decent stock voltage overclock on a 6-10core cpu and then I'm going to sit on that chipset for longer than I even have before upgrading again.

#5437339

Loobyluggs

2017-05-30 12:11

By Odin's hammer! That, is really powerful stuff. Let me ask this to my fellow Guru's: is Intel increasing cores, but lowering overall per-core performance, yet increasing intra-core efficiency?

#5437340

Ryu5uzaku

2017-05-30 12:13

Prices in second slide. 18/36 is $1999. 8/16 is $599 I was pretty close on all the lower end prices.

That is a really small price hike from 10 to 12 then. Interesting. While from 8 to 10 is huge.

#5437343

Ryu5uzaku

2017-05-30 12:15

Thanks, that covers all the parts I would ever be interested in buying anyway. O.T With the older chips like my 6700k....whatever the quoted turbo boost frequency was, was basically also a speed you could do a stock voltage overclock to with perfect stability as a rule. But with this new, multi stage turbo boost thing I don't really know what to expect from overclocking. 4ghz for the 10 core part or 4.2ghz for the 8 core part would be what I would hope for but don't know it that's too high to expect. I'm done trying to overclock to the highest possible value and dealing with the instability it brings, with either a cpu or a gpu. I want a half decent stock voltage overclock on a 6-10core cpu and then I'm going to sit on that chipset for longer than I even have before upgrading again.

I can see 8-core going towards 4.7+ ghz on skylake-x unless they did something funky. For the 10-core well it should do better then current 10-core one. Of course it seems these cpus are not soldered?

#5437346

Koniakki

2017-05-30 12:18

The deepest I can go in my pocket is for an i7 7820X. Its either that or a Ryzen 1700X which I think I can get both mobo and cpu for the price of that Intel i7 above. I will wait for official reviews to see if I can make or is worth to make the jump from my 6700k. I only mentioned the Ryzen for personal reasons. Don't wanna derail the thread. :thumbup:

#5437348

Emille

2017-05-30 12:22

I can see 8-core going towards 4.7+ ghz on skylake-x unless they did something funky. For the 10-core well it should do better then current 10-core one. Of course it seems these cpus are not soldered?

I really doubt that. Most 6700k can only do 4.5ghz-4.6ghz and that's only with 4 cores and a base clock of 4ghz. If these chips EVEN overclock the same...and you add 5-600mhz onto the base clocks and then it will be 4.1-4.2ghz for the 8 core part. But if these chips get a lot hotter due to the higher cores, then I think you will see a lot of these chips maxing out at maybe 4ghz for the average chip. I couldn't make my cpu run at 4.7ghz with all the volts in the world. So I think we will see a lower clock/higher core era kicking in pretty hard.

#5437350

Ryu5uzaku

2017-05-30 12:26

I really doubt that. Most 6700k can only do 4.5ghz-4.6ghz and that's only with 4 cores and a base clock of 4ghz. If these chips EVEN overclock the same...and you add 5-600mhz onto the base clocks and then it will be 4.1-4.2ghz for the 8 core part. But if these chips get a lot hotter due to the higher cores, then I think you will see a lot of these chips maxing out at maybe 4ghz for the average chip. I couldn't make my cpu run at 4.7ghz with all the volts in the world. So I think we will see a lower clock/higher core era kicking in pretty hard.

I was thinking in the lines of older 8-core parts like haswell-e and broadwell-e was not a good overclocker. You had some of the 8-core ones go to 4.7ghz. Now of course it could have changed with these. And if these really are not soldered like old HEDT cpus we might see limited overclocking partly because of that already.

#5437351

Öhr

2017-05-30 12:31

lol, now the prices are falling... guess AMD Is turning up the heat. well, I'm not gonna buy them either. the high end socket itself is still too expensive, even if i went for a 4-core (8core with mobo from amd is still a lot cheaper) oh yeah, who the hell would wanna buy these ****ty 4 cores on such an expensive platform? why do they even exist??? rysen 6 and 8 core is still a lot cheaper, so performance per buck is still on AMDs side. now lets wait for the prices of threadripper and the platform. who knows - maybe we get a 16 core at $1000-1200?

#5437366

H83

2017-05-30 13:02

So expensive!!!... And to think some cpus cost more than my complete rig... Good thing the X299 platform is useless for me, this way i don´t have to sell my soul to have a good rig...

#5437367

-Tj-

2017-05-30 13:03

The deepest I can go in my pocket is for an i7 7820X. Its either that or a Ryzen 1700X which I think I can get both mobo and cpu for the price of that Intel i7 above. I will wait for official reviews to see if I can make or is worth to make the jump from my 6700k. I only mentioned the Ryzen for personal reasons. Don't wanna derail the thread. :thumbup:

Yeah that 7820x looks mighty fine, if its max 600€ I might consider it. Looks like AMD did some magic so Intel finally reacted with "proper pricing"

#5437377

Loophole35

2017-05-30 13:17

That is a really small price hike from 10 to 12 then. Interesting. While from 8 to 10 is huge.

Intel loves making you pay for PCI lanes. Where are y'all getting this info that these are not soldered?

#5437382

Stormyandcold

2017-05-30 13:22

Yeah that 7820x looks mighty fine, if its max 600€ I might consider it. Looks like AMD did some magic so Intel finally reacted with "proper pricing"

That 7820x is the only "barely reasonably priced" chip in that list that would be an upgrade over what I've got and the only chip that caught my eye. Got to see comparisons vs everything else.

#5437386

Ryu5uzaku

2017-05-30 13:28

Intel loves making you pay for PCI lanes. Where are y'all getting this info that these are not soldered?

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainboard/intel_s_skylake-x_and_kaby_lake-x_cpus_will_not_be_soldered/1 If this holds true. I think it does considering whom is saying it.