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Diegos:

Hello everybody, so if i buy now a Strix x570-f would it be ready for a future 5800x without updates? as of bios 2606. https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/ROG-Strix-X570-F-Gaming/HelpDesk_BIOS/ Or better to wait?
It depends what BIOS they're shipped with and if the retailer you buy from has this new stock. This board has USB flashback so you just need a flash drive and you're good to go updating it yourself.
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Hog54:

Dont get your hopes up.Im still trying to find a 3300x after months of looking.Its almost like AMD stopped making them?
They seem to have had a limited availability here in the Netherlands, but now they're listed as an overpriced (€170,- instead of €129,- which was the initial price here) 12+ days delivery item, in which case the fully available 3600X would be a better choice...
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0blivious:

I haven't checked on those but people seem to think it has something to do with the x570 having the new PCIe 4.0 chipset. I think B550 has that too so... maybe? I would hope not. It's an annoying issue. I really dislike onboard sound. But this may only affect a small amount of us, I just know I'm far from the only person experiencing it
I ran my SB ZX Flawlessly on my previous and very old Z97 setup wondering why everyone was having all these crazy issues. Then I bought an Auros X570 Pro and BANG! I had all of it...I was so frustrated. Well I don’t know about ASUS but GB has Spread Spectrum not only available but on by default. Guess what sound cards don’t like? “Shifting bus speeds”. That setting is so outdated I was shocked it was there and even more infuriated it was on. Off and Daniel Ks latest driver for good measure and it’s totally back to normal.
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Diegos:

Hello everybody, so if i buy now a Strix x570-f would it be ready for a future 5800x without updates? as of bios 2606. https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/ROG-Strix-X570-F-Gaming/HelpDesk_BIOS/ Or better to wait?
I feel like i read somewhere that all 5000 series cpus will be drop in ready on any bios version of the 500 series motherboards, BUT that to get the most stable and complete experience, you will want to update the bios. I could be wrong but i am fairly certain i have read this information multiple times.
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Aura89:

I feel like i read somewhere that all 5000 series cpus will be drop in ready on any bios version of the 500 series motherboards, BUT that to get the most stable and complete experience, you will want to update the bios. I could be wrong but i am fairly certain i have read this information multiple times.
If that's true why the table?
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jbscotchman:

I wouldn't get your hopes up.
I know if they don't update my CH VII x470 it will be my last Asus board I ever buy or anything else for that matter. For what I paid for it they better but obviously not holding my breath..
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theoneofgod:

If that's true why the table?
I mean they state all their 500 series are compatible but it could just be a table of what bios is best for the 5000 series.
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My GB X570 is currently on 1.0.8.1 which is latest official AGESA update that apparently can “run it” but 1.1.0.0 is the “official” Zen3 BiOS
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0blivious:

I haven't checked on those but people seem to think it has something to do with the x570 having the new PCIe 4.0 chipset. I think B550 has that too so... maybe? I would hope not. It's an annoying issue. I really dislike onboard sound. But this may only affect a small amount of us, I just know I'm far from the only person experiencing it
I've never heard of these issues? What exactly happens? I've got a Crosshair 8 Hero that I planned to use a Creative AE-5 sound card with when I put that system together. Am I going to have issues? Edit : Also, most of Gigabyte's X570 MBs have the smaller BIOS and they will be getting the Zen 3 updates, so it shouldn't be anything to do with the BIOS size if your MB gets Zen 3 support or not. I hope Asus releases a beta BIOS for the X370 Crosshair 6 MBs as I don't see why a really high end board like that can't support Zen 3.
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IceZero09:

I've never heard of these issues? What exactly happens? I've got a Crosshair 8 Hero that I planned to use a Creative AE-5 sound card with when I put that system together. Am I going to have issues? Edit : Also, most of Gigabyte's X570 MBs have the smaller BIOS and they will be getting the Zen 3 updates, so it shouldn't be anything to do with the BIOS size if your MB gets Zen 3 support or not. I hope Asus releases a beta BIOS for the X370 Crosshair 6 MBs as I don't see why a really high end board like that can't support Zen 3.
Just read my fix if you have a problem I assure you it will solve it.
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IceZero09:

I've never heard of these issues? What exactly happens? I've got a Crosshair 8 Hero that I planned to use a Creative AE-5 sound card with when I put that system together. Am I going to have issues?
Chances are, you are fine. It may not affect every x570 board/AE card, but I've found numerous threads regarding these soundcard issues, and most seem to involve the x570 chipset. I recently found a thread that claimed the realtek network card/driver is causing the problem. I tested this out and it does seem to fix it. Removing realtek driver/disabling network card. 2 days so far, so good. Channel swapping: It happens when using 5.1 sound. (2.0 works, AFAIK) The sound that should be going to say, the left front, goes to the rear right, and vice versa. It isn't always those speakers. It shifts around. Restarting PC will fix it for a few minutes, but it comes back to stay. Affects gaming, music and watching movies/video.
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0blivious:

Chances are, you are fine. It may not affect every x570 board/AE card, but I've found numerous threads regarding these soundcard issues, and most seem to involve the x570 chipset. I recently found a thread that claimed the realtek network card/driver is causing the problem. I tested this out and it does seem to fix it. Removing realtek driver/disabling network card. 2 days so far, so good. Channel swapping: It happens when using 5.1 sound. (2.0 works, AFAIK) The sound that should be going to say, the left front, goes to the rear right, and vice versa. It isn't always those speakers. It shifts around. Restarting PC will fix it for a few minutes, but it comes back to stay. Affects gaming, music and watching movies/video.
Spread Spectrum..Spund cards need ASIO lock its not allowing it. I have had lengthy arguments with AMD staff as to why this antiquated setting is present and on by default when it’s usage is so specific and unnecessary on modern hardware.. Open CPUZ and look at your RAM and BUS speeds just off a few MHz that’s Spread Spectrum. Wanna read up on it? Well here’s an article from 2008.... https://www.anandtech.com/show/2500/20
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INSTG8R:

Just read my fix if you have a problem I assure you it will solve it.
Thanks. So just disable Spread Spectrum if I have this issue? What is that setting used for anyway? Why do MB manufacturers have it on by default?
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IceZero09:

Thanks. So just disable Spread Spectrum if I have this issue? What is that setting used for anyway? Why do MB manufacturers have it on by default?
It’s very old so believe me I was very shckeD coming back from Intel to AMDs latest and greatest and find that preset an amazing n by default. What it’s purpose is to prevent interference when machines ge5 close together all at identical frequencies causing interference. Spread a Spectrum oscillates your frequencies slightly hence not being able to be n the same frequency of f another machine Now can you as a home user ever see a situation like may happen? Fine have rhe setting present for that edge case user but OFf unless irs actually requested. I am in direct contact with AMD Staff and have had multiple arguments with no logical explanation why it’s even there and worse on. Besides affecting sound card s attempting any overclock will never actually be stable or the frequency you’ve set it too. Sorry for the thorough explanation but it’s. Huge issue I have with AMD It’s only harming them when crashes from borderline RAN timings are pushed over by this but it’s Ryzen us fussy with RAM or this kit doesn’t work right.
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IceZero09:

Thanks. So just disable Spread Spectrum if I have this issue? What is that setting used for anyway? Why do MB manufacturers have it on by default?
Spread spectrum is used to reduce the maximum EM wave power emitted at certain frequencies by spreading the power over a spectrum of frequencies (by using those frequencies instead), then none of them are overly strong in power. This is so a PC can pass emissions laws in countries that have them. It only has to be capable of passing the laws, not permanently be set to do so. It might even be useful if you are overclocking to the max and there is some instability caused by EM waves. It depends on the reason and cause of the problem. Using spread spectrum supposedly causes the PC to run a little slower but I've never tested it to verify and not heard of anyone complain about it.
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Mufflore:

Spread spectrum is used to reduce the maximum EM wave power emitted at certain frequencies by spreading the power over a spectrum of frequencies, then none of them are overly strong in power. This is so a PC can pass emissions laws in countries that have them. It only has to be capable of passing the laws, not permanently be set to do so. It might even be useful if you are overclocking to the max and there is some instability caused by EM waves. It depends on the reason and cause of the problem. Using spread spectrum supposedly causes the PC to run a little slower but I've never tested it to verify and not heard of anyone complain about it.
And it will absolutely screw up any decent audio device connected to bus requiring even the basic ASIO instructions.they require absolute precision timings Spread Spectrum makes it impossible to function properly There hundreds of threads with identical issues and many solutions proposed to try to fix them even Daniel K has stepped in to try to help. With “AM4” Issues http://danielkawakami.blogspot.com/ There’s nothing with anything on a hardware level at all it’s that setting making the core functions impossible these are just home users and enthusiast devices Professional devices are even more sensitive and more precise any fluctuations of any type are the highest priority to avoid. Line conditioners and other devices are literally industry standards for any studio to literally prevent an absolutely immeasurable deviations even from the electricity powering everything. Bottom line, fine the setting can be pressnt for the narrow use cases but it should be OFF unless irs needed for the unique situation is was designed for...
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INSTG8R:

And it will absolutely screw up any decent audio device connected to bus requiring even the basic ASIO instructions.they require absolute precision timings Spread Spectrum makes it impossible to function properly There hundreds of threads with identical issues and many solutions proposed to try to fix them even Daniel K has stepped in to try to help. With “AM4” Issues http://danielkawakami.blogspot.com/ There’s nothing with anything on a hardware level at all it’s that setting making the core functions impossible these are just home users and enthusiast devices Professional devices are even more sensitive and more precise any fluctuations of any type are the highest priority to avoid. Line conditioners and other devices are literally industry standards for any studio to literally prevent an absolutely immeasurable deviations even from the electricity powering everything. Bottom line, fine the setting can be pressnt for the narrow use cases but it should be OFF unless irs needed for the unique situation is was designed for...
It figures, spread spectrum produces a large spread of frequencies, some could have negative effects. High spec audio systems are sensitive, extremely at the high end. PCs are not the best place to put one! I'm an audio nut but have never left spread spectrum on so havent encountered issues due to it. I only use external DACs now but even USB ports can reduce clarity believe it or not. On my current mobo (Maximus VIII Hero), if I use a USB 3.0 port, a ton of detail is lost. I'm forced to use USB 2.0 only and am worried what will happen when I next upgrade my CPU/mobo.
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Yeah any internal card is using the bus which needs ro be static
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/ja23gg/asus_wont_provide_bios_update_for_x470_board_to/ Could change especially after inquiring about in public like this but it seems Asus might not fully support the 400 series of motherboards even as AMD provides support for this although a bit later on through a beta estimated for January 2021 I think it was.
I reached out to ASUS to ask about if they plan to provide the necessary update for Ryzen 5000 series for the ROG Crosshair VII Hero X470 and this is the response they gave.
Hello _______, Thank you for contacting ASUS Product Support.My name is John L. and it's my pleasure to help you with your problem. I am writing this email to provide you an update about your ongoing case. According to our engineers, We have no plans for the Crosshair VII Hero to support the Ryzen 5900X, please purchase Crosshair VIII Hero and any Ass B550 motherboard that will support Ryzen 5900X and 5000 series processors. Do you have feedback that you would like to share about your experience with our CEO? We’d love to hear about it! Share your feedback here: https://www.asus.com/us/support/Article/787 CASE NO= N201025168 You are more than welcome to visit our Asus support website: http://www.asus.com/us/supportIf you continue to experience issues in the future, please do not hesitate to contact us. Best Regards, John L. ASUS Product Support
Honestly this is very disappointing. It doesn't make sense to necessitate spending $300-400 to get a X570 board just to run the Ryzen 5000 series when it is known to be the last generation CPU to use the AM4 socket. Plus, I am not needing PCIe 4.0 for any existing devices. Even with the RTX 3000 cards, it is shown that PCIe 4.0 only provide 2-3% performance improvements. EDIT: This blown up more than I expected. Just to give a little more context. I initially called their customer service number and asked about this. The rep I spoke to was foreign, but very polite. He stated that it would not be supported, which I was hoping to be the "misinformed rep" situation. I requested the inquiry to be escalated to their engineering department for confirmation, hence the response with a case number. In any case, I wanted to raise awareness with this post for the existing X470/B450 owners. At the same time, if there is a big enough community response, perhaps it will force ASUS and other motherboard vendors to offer some form of beta BIOS for users that do plan to run Ryzen 5000 series on motherboards they already own.
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We have no plans for the Crosshair VII Hero to support the Ryzen 5900X, please purchase Crosshair VIII Hero and any Ass B550 motherboard that will support Ryzen 5900X and 5000 series processors.
Ass B550 motherboard?
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I feared this. I am not going to upgrade to 5xxx series ever if x470 doesn't get to support zen3.

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