Another AMD Ryzen 5 3600 Review/Benchmarks Leaks

oxidized

2019-06-26 13:26

BReal85:

And it's the cheapest Zen2... pretty impressive. And the X570 change only minimally impacts performance (that's normal ofc). I will be curious to see Zen 2 reviews with different memories, as that will be compatible with highly OCd memory modules. A B450 (or X470) with a Ryzen 3600 or 3700X with OC will be a no-brainer. Performance-wise, there is only marginal difference, which may have come from randomness.

Fox2232:

What you saw there is that board with X570 chipset had better bios which achieved better timings. That has nothing to do with chipset. But that's cause of that tiny, but consistent performance difference. I believe that even you would be able to get adequately similar timings on X470 and at that point all scores would just dance around each other... statistical error.

Alright then, let's wait for more reviews hopefully with different motherboards too and see if it's just statistical error, noise, or something else.

#5684565

Alessio1989

2019-06-26 13:28

Fox2232:

What you saw there is that board with X570 chipset had better bios which achieved better timings. That has nothing to do with chipset. But that's cause of that tiny, but consistent performance difference. I believe that even you would be able to get adequately similar timings on X470 and at that point all scores would just dance around each other... statistical error.

This. I also saw more performance difference of MBs of previous generation, same price range but different manufactures than in that review, which is quite a good result for that "old" motherboard.

#5684583

asturur

2019-06-26 14:12

karma777police:

Still sucks in gaming, 9600k is faster in gaming as well. Disappointing.

Can we use the `sucks` word for situation in which you cannot get 60fps? What people seems to want to avoid to see is that intel or amd, the experience of buying a ryzen 1600 in 2017 and then after 2 years update it with a 3600 with a swap in, paying an additional 200$ dollars, and maybe keeping your old 2933 mhz rams, and probably getting a 25%+ faster computer all in all, is the experience we would like to have with intel too, but that we never got. ( maybe just when you could move from a p3550e to a p31000 ).

#5684591

Aura89

2019-06-26 14:24

Astyanax:

looks like the benches have been done with the ram at 2667, going by the memory latency.

Nothing looks like that, especially the x570 report which would but much better latency then AMD says 2667 memory should be on their platform. 75.8 on x570 and 80.5 on x470 is not 83 that AMD themselves claimed, x470 is close, but x570 isn't close at all. Article states 3200mhz memory, no reason to assume anything else other then their setuo is not steup correctly....as they can't even overclock either the x470 or x570 board. From the x570 article: "To analyze the performance of the AMD Ryzen 5 3600 processor , we have mounted it on a motherboard that we have baptized as ECI X570 Monster VIII Turbo Fan Plus Ultra Z RGB (we do not want any manufacturer to be harmed without any reason, since none of them acceded to that its motherboard was used) next to the memories G.Skill FlareX DDR4 @ 3200 MHz and the graph Nvidia GeForce RTX 2080 Ti Founders Edition and the operative system in its most updated version Windows 10 June 2019 Update." From the x470 article "To analyze the performance of the AMD Ryzen 5 3600 processor , we have mounted it on a Gigabyte X470 Aorus Gaming 7 WiFi motherboard together with G.Skill FlareX DDR4 @ 3200 MHz memories and the Nvidia GeForce RTX 2080 Ti Founders Edition graphics ."

#5684602

RzrTrek

2019-06-26 15:07

I'm impressed by the numbers that little thing is able to squeeze out on its own, but what's the deal with the memory bench in the #9 picture?

#5684605

Undying

2019-06-26 15:10

Ryzen 5 3600 Aorus B450 Elite 16GB 3200mhz Im thinking this will be my new system this year and it wont break a bank. Cant wait.

#5684608

fredgml7

2019-06-26 15:14

I believe R5 3600's rival is the I5 9400, so this is very impressive if true. Waiting for reliable reviews, because there are much other questions to be answered.

#5684612

schmidtbag

2019-06-26 15:30

Fox2232:

I have to repeat myself 🙂 While we may fight over AMD's chips as production may not be sufficient to satisfy market, intel is one to laugh as AMD's production will make only small dent to their sales.

I too should repeat myself: It is a very unrealistic goal for AMD to attempt to outperform Intel in sales or total marketshare, whether that be AMD's own goal or people's expectations of AMD. Anyone who expects Intel to "die" due to Zen2, or for AMD to suddenly dominate the market is delusional. I'm not sure trying to steal some of Intel's fanatics are worth AMD's effort either. What AMD needs to focus on right now is attracting new customers and bringing back old ones who left them during the Bulldozer days. The most important thing for them right now is re-instilling confidence in their own fanbase and building interest in those who don't know them well. So far, they seem to be doing an excellent job of that, and the improved attention to quality in the new X570 motherboards has only reinforced that. Only when AMD is no longer associated with "space heater", "faildozer", or "the bargain choice" can we expect AMD to start being a serious threat to Intel's quarterly sales. Of course, all of this assumes Intel's next architecture isn't going to substantially outperform Zen2's performance.

#5684615

Undying

2019-06-26 15:47

Intel acknowledges AMD’s high performance Zen2 CPUs, “competition shaping up to be especially tough” https://www.dsogaming.com/news/intel-acknowledges-amds-high-performance-zen2-cpus-competition-shaping-up-to-be-especially-tough/

#5684619

Embra

2019-06-26 15:57

I think AMD's agenda is to put out a good competitive product and hope it sells. Sure they want market share and accolades. The plan is to sell product, good product.

#5684623

kings

2019-06-26 16:06

schmidtbag:

I too should repeat myself: It is a very unrealistic goal for AMD to attempt to outperform Intel in sales or total marketshare, whether that be AMD's own goal or people's expectations of AMD. Anyone who expects Intel to "die" due to Zen2, or for AMD to suddenly dominate the market is delusional. I'm not sure trying to steal some of Intel's fanatics are worth AMD's effort either. What AMD needs to focus on right now is attracting new customers and bringing back old ones who left them during the Bulldozer days. The most important thing for them right now is re-instilling confidence in their own fanbase and building interest in those who don't know them well. So far, they seem to be doing an excellent job of that, and the improved attention to quality in the new X570 motherboards has only reinforced that. Only when AMD is no longer associated with "space heater", "faildozer", or "the bargain choice" can we expect AMD to start being a serious threat to Intel's quarterly sales. Of course, all of this assumes Intel's next architecture isn't going to substantially outperform Zen2's performance.

Finally someone with common sense and knowledge of reality. The internet nowadays is full of nonsense from delusional people with "Intel is dead, Intel wil go bankrupt, Intel is in panic". Even without 10nm for now, Intel will compete just fine, they have CPUs to cover all the market. Sure, AMD will have more cores in the high-end, but this does not always translate into higher performance for some tasks and the majority of consumers don´t buy CPUs with more than 6/8 cores. But, one thing is for certain, this situation is going to be good to help AMD distance itself from the impression many people have that they are a "second tier brand".

#5684626

fredgml7

2019-06-26 16:22

Undying:

Intel acknowledges AMD’s high performance Zen2 CPUs, “competition shaping up to be especially tough” https://www.dsogaming.com/news/intel-acknowledges-amds-high-performance-zen2-cpus-competition-shaping-up-to-be-especially-tough/

So, they are not going to cut prices, and will invest in software "optimization" like they do with Adobe. Did I get it right?

#5684628

SniperX

2019-06-26 16:26

My stress ball has reached EOSL, I need a new one... o_O

#5684629

Ricardo

2019-06-26 16:32

fredgml7:

So, they are not going to cut prices, and will invest in software "optimization" like they do with Adobe. Did I get it right?

It seems they're still delusional thinking that brand loyalty and slight performance bumps will be enough. Meanwhile, look at this quote from Lisa Su: "You know what’s interesting – some of these things that circulate, on the internet. I don’t think we ever said that Threadripper was not going to continue. It sort of took a life of its own on the internet. You will see more Threadrippers (plural) from us. You will definitely see more Threadrippers from us. Look, we love the high-end desktop market. We see both content creators as well as workstation needs, and Threadripper has done well. You will see more from us with Threadripper. [...] Threadripper is still an important step up. You will see future generations of Threadripper from us. Now obviously if mainstream is moving up, Threadripper is going to have to move up up." Source So, I'm pretty confident in speculating that TR will come in SKU's of 16/24/32 cores, effectively crushing most/all of Intel's current lineup while they sleep on their 10y old laurels, LOL.

#5684647

Alessio1989

2019-06-26 17:58

Meanwhile in the end of 2018 AMD removed their CPU driver for OpenCL... I never been a fun of OpenCL, neither of any other clusterfuck generated ad tThe Khronos Group Inc, however they should understand that there aren't any better spread alternatives to OpenCL, and no ROCm is not meant for workstation, neither for Windows.... Hopefully thei will improve the stability of their OpenCL GPU drivers.. Anyway I do not see a short term fix for those having a workstation with AMD CPUs and NVIDIA professional graphics cards...

#5684659

NCC1701D

2019-06-26 18:28

kings:

Finally someone with common sense and knowledge of reality. The internet nowadays is full of nonsense from delusional people with "Intel is dead, Intel wil go bankrupt, Intel is in panic". Even without 10nm for now, Intel will compete just fine, they have CPUs to cover all the market. Sure, AMD will have more cores in the high-end, but this does not always translate into higher performance for some tasks and the majority of consumers don´t buy CPUs with more than 6/8 cores. But, one thing is for certain, this situation is going to be good to help AMD distance itself from the impression many people have that they are a "second tier brand".

Totally agree. I think AMD will have some time to shine this year while Intel sorts out their node issues, but Intel isn't going anywhere. They'll use their war chest and have an answer sooner than later. I'm overdue for an upgrade and will probably go AMD this summer if I like the upcoming reviews. If I was a betting man, I would guess that within 6mo to a year Intel will have something to release that will keep them well at the top of the performance stack if this latest AMD release starts to steal a ton of market share. I applaud what AMD has been able to achieve in the last few years, but I wouldn't be as apt to use the word "crushing" as I would to use the words "reaching near parity". Totally depends on your use case and wallet of course. One thing is certain, people love an underdog making a comeback and that has a very powerful impact on a lot of people. I usually just buy the best I can afford at the current time and try not to choose sides while adopting doomsday theories. For a lot of people that's not an option. It's either Intel or AMD and you can't do much to change their brand loyalty. Competition is good. Make smart, unbiased choices for your use case.

#5684698

icedman

2019-06-26 20:29

Glottiz:

How convenient that similarly priced 9600K is omitted from this "leak". I guess when they show that Ryzen 3600 is very close to 9900K makes them look good. But if they show that 3600 is trailing behind 9600K that wouldn't look so good. Just let me remind you that 9600K has almost identical gaming performance to 9900K.

This is a joke right? 9600k costs the same as a 2700 atm in Canada and i very much doubt a 3600 will come in costing more than the 2700 Intel prices aren't even close to amd's in core for core or performance to performance. Ill just leave this here https://www.newegg.ca/amd-ryzen-7-2700/p/N82E16819113498 https://www.newegg.ca/core-i5-9th-gen-intel-core-i5-9600k/p/N82E16819117959?Description=i5%209600k&cm_re=i5_9600k-_-19-117-959-_-Product

#5684708

gerardfraser

2019-06-26 20:50

icedman:

This is a joke right? 9600k costs the same as a 2700 atm in Canada and i very much doubt a 3600 will come in costing more than the 2700 Intel prices aren't even close to amd's in core for core or performance to performance. Ill just leave this here https://www.newegg.ca/amd-ryzen-7-2700/p/N82E16819113498 https://www.newegg.ca/core-i5-9th-gen-intel-core-i5-9600k/p/N82E16819117959?Description=i5 9600k&cm_re=i5_9600k-_-19-117-959-_-Product

I built a new AMD system last year because AMD CPU was $269 Canadian and the intel I would have bought was $700+.I game all the time 4K so AMD CPU made perfect match for me. My AMD 2600X CPU is so good I may not even update to new Ryzen 3xxx but I could if I wanted but if I have bought intel I would have to buy new motherboard. Intel makes good CPU but for the life of me I do not understand people defending intel prices and touting how good they are. You can literally buy AMD CPU for less than double/triple the price and the AMD CPU will do the same numbers as the intel CPU.

#5684709

vbetts

Moderator

2019-06-26 20:51

gerardfraser:

I built a new AMD system last year because AMD CPU was $269 Canadian and the intel I would have bought was $700+.I game all the time 4K so AMD CPU made perfect match for me. My AMD 2600X CPU is so good I may not even update to new Ryzen 3xxx but I could if I wanted but if I have bought intel I would have to buy new motherboard. Intel makes good CPU but for the life of me I do not understand people defending intel prices and touting how good they are. You can literally buy AMD CPU for less than double/triple the price and the AMD CPU will do the same numbers as the intel CPU.

Some people have different requirements for their hardware and different needs that Intel can deliver that AMD can't, or vice versa.

#5684715

jbscotchman

2019-06-26 21:11

This thing is gonna sell like hot cakes!