At this rate, software better get with the times with multi-threading support

since ppl dont have to pay 1000$ for a 8 corre anymore, it will. i' ve seen it with tv stuff, b/w was standard for 40y, before color. vcr was out for around 30y before the dvd replaced it. not even 10y and we have the BD...

AMD is apparently very happy with Ryzen. Otherwise they would not plan 48-core chip already.

AMD is apparently very happy with Ryzen. Otherwise they would not plan 48-core chip already.

Nah, it doesn't take only a month or two to come up with a new CPU. The next generation is already being developed before the current one has even hit the store shelves. Although this time it's not just the CPU itself, also the 7nm process technology needs to work.

At this rate, software better get with the times with multi-threading support

Isn´t this chip for servers where the software is already multi threaded and can use all the cores throw at them??? Because for normal users a 48 core cpu is a gigantic waste.

7nm for next year? I'll hold on my upgrade then! Oh boy, can't wait!

7nm for next year? I'll hold on my upgrade then! Oh boy, can't wait!

None of us know, how well will 7nm Chips clock. They may end up to be as strong in performance per thread even at lower clock. And have lower power consumption. But in total, they may not be upgrade in performance. I am still waiting for properly working 3200MHz memories. And so, if current Ryzen takes too long, I may wait for next iteration. But 7nm is of no importance to me.

None of us know, how well will 7nm Chips clock. They may end up to be as strong in performance per thread even at lower clock. And have lower power consumption. But in total, they may not be upgrade in performance. I am still waiting for properly working 3200MHz memories. And so, if current Ryzen takes too long, I may wait for next iteration. But 7nm is of no importance to me.

If you have agood look thru the slides, it seems like the 7nm change is mostly for TDP purposes. Current Zen won't drop below 15W TDP. 7nm is to drop to 4W. I think i saw APU's drop to 35W max (4c/8t), instead of 65W for current 14nm. looks good for future mobile chips.

Starship cpu at 48 cores amazing, I got 4 cores and does me fine this has to be for servers business centres, Hate to think how much these are gonna cost, I always space my systems out to 5 years then I upgrade at a reasonable price. No game needs 48 cpu's or 96 at two way maybe bitcoin mining or very complicated algorhytms and stuff.

Isn´t this chip for servers where the software is already multi threaded and can use all the cores throw at them??? Because for normal users a 48 core cpu is a gigantic waste.

Currently, yes it is a gigantic waste. But only, ONLY because software does not use multi-threads the way it should. As to a 48 core being for server chips, as i read it, yes, but the fact of the matter is AMD HEDT system is almost guaranteed to be cheaper then Intels 8-core CPUs (at least the 12-core will be) and whose to say what will happen in 2018-2019. If Intel kicks theirselves into gear and decides to lower the cost and increase the core count of their CPUs due to AMD, we all win, and software makers won't feel multi-core optimizations are lost of the majority.

I wonder if this means each CCX will move from 4 to 6 cores in 2018? The new version of the Ryzen 1800x would be a 12 core part?

At this rate, software better get with the times with multi-threading support

Isn´t this chip for servers where the software is already multi threaded and can use all the cores throw at them??? Because for normal users a 48 core cpu is a gigantic waste.

more than just servers use it. I got the 8-core amd bulldozer years and years ago and it was the best investment ever. animators need all the number crunching they can possibly get, and more (there is no limit to imagination. and we only get so much polygons/shadows/reflections/refractions/caustics/GI to work with). it brought my fluid dynamics simulations down from weeks to ... day. multithreading is taking off, where multi gpu is dying--just as I suspected. I ditched multi-gpu forever after it almost made me fail my animation classes with BSoDs. but yes, not for the average user--until new security protocols and OS level operations and gaming demands it, software support, and prices come down. just like every other pc in history. it already is getting better 🙂 new APIs like directx12 and vulkan actually utilize all cp cores. so it--will be--used for gaming and everything. would be nice if they came up with some kind of wrapper for older stuff, though--but usually in that case 1 newer core is enough anyway. anywhoo. I know when i'm buying my new PC!!! (2019. after the software updates that make it work correctly, and prices come down). but yeah... amd should "leak" more often. I am like already saving up. 48 cores in 2018 daaaayumn it's the future. Zen 2 Starship here I come :cyclone:

Seeing that the roadmap puts 4-8 core Zen around 15-65W, and 32 core Zen was supposed to be out in H2 2016... can we conclude that it's outdated?

Seeing that the roadmap puts 4-8 core Zen around 15-65W, and 32 core Zen was supposed to be out in H2 2016... can we conclude that it's outdated?

It is. February 2016. Everything went down half a year at least. 14 nm Raven Ridge for notebooks is now planned for 2018...

Seeing that the roadmap puts 4-8 core Zen around 15-65W, and 32 core Zen was supposed to be out in H2 2016... can we conclude that it's outdated?

EDIT: Redacted- I misinterpreted your statement. Yes the roadmap slide is outdated, but roadmaps are always subject to change

Proof of Zens scalability. it's on FAHR!!! Lower core count? "ain't nobody got time for that"

7nm for next year? I'll hold on my upgrade then! Oh boy, can't wait!

That is a best case scenario-- I wouldn't hold my breath on that-- its almost entirely dependent on whether Global Foundries and perhaps TSMC have a working, viable 7nm process that is reliable at that point. I'd say the chances of that are probably less than 50%. A lot of things have to go right in a short amount of time to get chips ON THE MARKET in 2018. Remember Vega? It has long been supposed to be on the market based on original product maps and we still have nothing. Even Intel have expressed a lot of concern about lithography at 7nm and below. They cited strange physics issues that begin to arise with silicon transistors around 7nm and below.

I wonder if this means each CCX will move from 4 to 6 cores in 2018? The new version of the Ryzen 1800x would be a 12 core part?

Why? 16 cores = 4 CCX 32 cores = 8 CCX 48 cores = 12 CCX -> 64 cores = 16 CCX Why should they change their CCX layout? It seems perfectly reasonalbe to me that the consumer-grade top-notch CPU remains 2 CCX, whereas the starter for Professional workstations could take 4 CCX. Starting in priceline with something like 8 or 12 cores (4CCX with full bandwidth and disabled cores). I don't see why they should change to a CCX of 6 cores.

About GF's 7nm process, from the GF website...

Santa Clara, Calif., September 15, 2016-GLOBALFOUNDRIES today announced plans to deliver a new leading-edge 7nm FinFET semiconductor technology that will offer the ultimate in performance for the next era of computing applications. This technology provides more processing power for data centers, networking, premium mobile processors, and deep learning applications. GF's new 7nm FinFET technology is expected to deliver more than twice the logic density and a 30 percent performance boost compared to today’s 16/14nm foundry FinFET offerings. The platform is based on an industry-standard FinFET transistor architecture and optical lithography, with EUV compatibility at key levels. This approach will accelerate the production ramp through significant re-use of tools and processes from the company’s 14nm FinFET technology, which is currently in volume production at its Fab 8 campus in Saratoga County, N.Y. GF plans to make an additional mutli-billion dollar investment in Fab 8 to enable development and production for 7nm FinFET. “The industry is converging on 7nm FinFET as the next long-lived node, which represents a unique opportunity for GF to compete at the leading edge,” said GF CEO Sanjay Jha. “We are well positioned to deliver a differentiated 7nm FinFET technology by tapping our years of experience manufacturing high-performance chips, the talent and know-how of our former IBM Microelectronics colleagues and the world-class R&D pipeline from our research alliance. No other foundry can match this legacy of manufacturing high-performance chips.” “GF made a bold decision to jump directly from 14nm to 7nm--a decision that is now supported by several leading semiconductor companies as they see only marginal performance and power benefits for the high cost of the 10nm process node,” said Jim McGregor, founder and principal analyst at TIRIAS Research. “Much like the 28nm and 16/14nm process nodes, 7nm appears to be the next major process node that will be widely leveraged by the entire semiconductor industry for at least the next decade.” “Leading-edge technologies like GF 7nm FinFET are an important part of how we deliver our long-term roadmap of computing and graphics products that are capable of powering the next generation of computing experiences,” said Dr. Lisa Su, president and CEO, AMD. “We look forward to continuing our close collaboration with GF as they extend the solid execution and technology foundation they are building at 14nm to deploy high-performance, low-power 7nm technology in the coming years.” “IBM is committed to pushing the limits of semiconductor technology as part of its aggressive long term research agenda,” said Arvind Krishna, senior vice president and director of IBM Research. “IBM Research continues to collaborate with GF in developing new ideas, new skills and new technologies that will help accelerate our joint research in 7nm technology and beyond." GF will deliver a comprehensive and competitive IP library, co-optimized with process development. To enable customers to accelerate adoption of 7nm FinFET technology, GF has expanded its strategic partnership with INVECAS beyond 14LPP and FDX™ processes to now include foundry IP development for 7nm process technologies. This will provide customers with a strong foundation to build early designs that meet their performance, power and area requirements. “INVECAS specializes in providing unrivaled IP solutions, ASIC and design services to GF's customers that span the wide-range of GF's leading edge FinFET and FDX processes," said Dasaradha Gude, CEO, INVECAS. "Our strategic partnership with GF combined with our tailor-made foundry IP model allows us to develop a 7nm FinFET process foundation IP that meets the challenging performance requirements of 7nm customers’ leading-edge applications." Building on the success of its 14LPP technology platform, GF's 7nm FinFET technology is positioned to enable next-generation computing applications that demand ultra-high performance, from high-end mobile SoCs to processors for cloud servers and networking infrastructure. The company’s high-performance offerings are complemented by its 22FDX® and 12FDX™ technologies, which have been developed to meet the ultra-low-power requirements of the next generation of intelligent connected devices, from mobile computing and 5G connectivity to artificial intelligence and autonomous vehicles. GF's 7nm FinFET technology will be supported by a full platform of foundation and complex intellectual property (IP), including an application-specific integrated circuit (ASIC) offering. Test chips with IP from lead customers have already started running in Fab 8. The technology is expected to be ready for customer product design starts in the second half of 2017, with ramp to risk production in early 2018.

TLDR; Read the last sentence-- sounds like it may actually be on track, but keep in mind the above quote is from Sept 2016.

cool then maybe microsoft can make a windows that will use 4 cores