AMD: Windows Thread Scheduler is operating properly for Ryzen

eclap

2017-03-14 21:28

I'm not sure if I find the "Scheduler is working properly" statement funny or frustrating. So many gurus were talking about how a scheduler update will most likely fix things. Yeah. What's next? Games need patching?

#5406661

Whiplashwang

2017-03-14 21:33

^ I feel the same way. I have been debating getting a Ryzen processor, but if this is how AMD responds to legitimate problems (Win7 is faster than Win10 = problem) I think I'll considering upgrading to an i7 7700K.

#5406662

eclap

2017-03-14 21:37

^ I feel the same way. I have been debating getting a Ryzen processor, but if this is how AMD responds to legitimate problems (Win7 is faster than Win10 = problem) I think I'll considering upgrading to an i7 7700K.

Well, Ryzen isn't really doable over here anyway, the motherboard availability is a joke. 7700k is decent, in fact, it's a dream coming from the 2500k 🙂

#5406669

Whiplashwang

2017-03-14 21:47

There is one thing holding me back though on the 7700k. The temperature and the TIM. I don't feel like delidding a $330 processor, voiding my warranty, just to get normal temps at a 5Ghz overclock. Shame on Intel for that!

#5406676

chronek

2017-03-14 22:11

So W10 scheduler is working as intended, but W7 work better, it is no surprise, because many bloatware things in W10 working as they intend. I hope ReactOS will speed their development..

#5406681

eclap

2017-03-14 22:22

There is one thing holding me back though on the 7700k. The temperature and the TIM. I don't feel like delidding a $330 processor, voiding my warranty, just to get normal temps at a 5Ghz overclock. Shame on Intel for that!

deliding doesn't void warranty. And once delided, you can run 5ghz with around 75C under prime or if your silicon lottery isn't great, 4.9 with sub 70C. Or 4.8 under 65C. A lot lower in games, of course.

So W10 scheduler is working as intended, but W7 work better, it is no surprise, because many bloatware things in W10 working as they intend. I hope ReactOS will speed their development..

ah look, a w7 user bashing on w10.

#5406685

Redemption80

2017-03-14 22:31

How diplomatic of AMD, essentially having to thank people for wasting their time investigating this. So did this stem from incompetence or did people make it up?

#5406686

anthos

2017-03-14 22:31

So W10 scheduler is working as intended, but W7 work better, it is no surprise, because many bloatware things in W10 working as they intend. I hope ReactOS will speed their development..

Yeah, some background windows processes can totally bring an octa core to its knees...

#5406688

eclap

2017-03-14 22:37

How diplomatic of AMD, essentially having to thank people for wasting their time investigating this. So did this stem from incompetence or did people make it up?

People made it up. Clutching at straws.

#5406712

PrMinisterGR

2017-03-14 23:08

I love this, some of the previous replies here are amazing in their alternate facts© . So here we have AMD themselves coming out and saying that there isn't going to be major performance boosts and that the system is working correctly, and people here on this forum seem to know better and are saying that AMD is wrong and that there will be magical future performance boosts (against what AMD is saying)..... People make excuses for AMD and Ryzen no matter what the reality, and it's sad. The market doesn't care for these excuses outside of some noisy fanboys***8203; on some forums, and AMDs market share reflects that.

There were large inconsistencies in reviews, which was a fact. And Windows 7 seems to be working better, which also seems to be a fact. Saying it's "plaform differences" just states the obvious, that the versions of Windows are different, it says nothing about the actual reasons though.

#5406720

eclap

2017-03-14 23:13

There were large inconsistencies in reviews, which was a fact. And Windows 7 seems to be working better, which also seems to be a fact. Saying it's "plaform differences" just states the obvious, that the versions of Windows are different, it says nothing about the actual reasons though.

Fair but you were one of those who were talking about how a scheduler update can make things much better when in fact there's nothing wrong with it. Can we please refrain from speculations from now on? I personally believe the Ryzen performance is final. It's what it is, until I see an actual change. Only then will I review my stance. Fact is it's ipc is behind kaby and it can't match it's core clock so it's only natural that it'll be behind in games. Don't know why anyone would think Ryzen can actually beat kaby in games.

#5406721

Redemption80

2017-03-14 23:14

Unless I'm reading it wrong, AMD are stating W7 isn't performing any better though and everything is based on individual software used.

#5406723

eclap

2017-03-14 23:17

Unless I'm reading it wrong, AMD are stating W7 isn't performing any better though.

Good point. Have we actually had a reputable source say that Ryzen performs better in games under w7? Or are we just going on some made up nonsense?

#5406731

Redemption80

2017-03-14 23:22

I've edited based on a reread, but it's essentially the same thing. AMD can't find any difference, so have attributed any "blame" onto the software that exhibits any difference.

#5406749

alanm

2017-03-15 00:02

Can we please refrain from speculations from now on? I personally believe the Ryzen performance is final. It's what it is, until I see an actual change..

Thats the way I see it as well. AMD knew this months ago, and if there was something MS/Windows could do to improve things significantly, it would have been done earlier. Meanwhile, game devs can improve code to help Ryzen, but not so sure they feel the same degree of urgency as AMD does, esp if it involves added cost/effort/man hours.

#5406752

schmidtbag

2017-03-15 00:07

So here we have AMD themselves coming out and saying that there isn't going to be major performance boosts and that the system is working correctly, and people here on this forum seem to know better and are saying that AMD is wrong and that there will be magical future performance boosts (against what AMD is saying).....

First of all, AMD didn't say anything about there not being any performance boosts, they just said there's nothing wrong with the scheduler and that there won't be a quick and easy fix. I personally acknowledged that what AMD said may be true, but that doesn't mean there's nothing wrong and that things can't be improved. Again, something that functions normally doesn't necessarily mean something that functions properly. There is still room for improvement, but, pitying is the best way to go about, right?

People make excuses for AMD and Ryzen no matter what the reality, and it's sad. The market doesn't care for these excuses outside of some noisy fanboys***8203; on some forums, and AMDs market share reflects that.

Meanwhile, regardless of any solid evidence, you will make any excuse you can to talk crap, as though that has ever accomplished anything for you. This isn't the first time you've made comments like this, but you sure seem to jump on them the moment you can. A bit hypocritical, and says a lot about who you are.

#5406755

PrMinisterGR

2017-03-15 00:10

Fair but you were one of those who were talking about how a scheduler update can make things much better when in fact there's nothing wrong with it. Can we please refrain from speculations from now on? I personally believe the Ryzen performance is final. It's what it is, until I see an actual change. Only then will I review my stance. Fact is it's ipc is behind kaby and it can't match it's core clock so it's only natural that it'll be behind in games. Don't know why anyone would think Ryzen can actually beat kaby in games.

I was, because even they are hinting about it. Which are the "platform differences" that could affect gaming performance between Windows versions? This is not a GPU, so it most likely isn't WDDM 2.0. What is left is the CPU driver, the CPU governor and the I/O governor. And we can't refrain from speculation unless AMD gives more clear answers instead of PR crap. Thracks did a post on AMD community where he showed that just by turning HPET to OFF and going to the High Performance power profile, he got 18% higher framerates. So it's still in the air, and part of it is for sure the Windows power governor and the scheduler. This isn't even speculation at this point. I don't believe that people should expect the CPU to reach Kaby for high FPS gaming, but there is no way it won't have performance increases as Windows has parts of the system compiled and optimized for it, and the same stands for games.

#5406756

mitzi76

2017-03-15 00:11

Bulldozer...Mantle...Patches...Scheduler... Now it's a conspiracy... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83MQhjfYW0o

#5406793

KissSh0t

2017-03-15 01:09

So basically... old programs not optimized for new hardware...

#5406795

mitzi76

2017-03-15 01:10

So basically... old programs not optimized for new hardware...

You know at least an honest answer! No-one knows at the moment... But some on here would have you believe you can buy an Amd product irrelevant of any possible "issues" Others would say wait...(which is what I am arguing for..at least wait for a month or so and then decide).