AMD To Handle Boost Clock Frequency Differentials with Firmware Update

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#5707505
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They can only 'fix' so much. Fact is, a bad CPU will boost badly across all mobos, so whatever fix they provide will likely boost golden chips as well, so the relative performance will stay the same.
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jwb1:

Um, yes they do. Once things were public, they had software fixes out damn quick in BIOS updates - its up to mobo companies to get them out then. Microsoft also had fixes in software. Plus Intel has released hardware fixes in new revisions of newer CPUs. To this day, there are some form of fixes available and not one single damn report of something being exploited. Don't spread BS.
Security issues that were at the cost of performance though. I wouldn't call that a fix, I'd call that a plug.
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vbetts:

Security issues that were at the cost of performance though. I wouldn't call that a fix, I'd call that a plug.
It is a fix. And they responded fast. From what I saw, the performance cost is hardly noticeable. This was more of a noticeable effect for server environments.
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jwb1:

From what I saw, the performance cost is hardly noticeable. This was more of a noticeable effect for server environments.
Which is a very huge part of Intel's business.
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jwb1:

Um, yes they do. Once things were public, they had software fixes out damn quick in BIOS updates - its up to mobo companies to get them out then. Microsoft also had fixes in software. Plus Intel has released hardware fixes in new revisions of newer CPUs. To this day, there are some form of fixes available and not one single damn report of something being exploited. Don't spread BS.
On the other hand, if things are out of the public - and the 'issue' was suitable for a downloadable fix - would they be quick to supply a fix if it negatively affected operation speed?
#5707516
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jwb1:

AMD is sweating..... trying to avoid that lawsuit.
jwb1:

Well if the other thread is an indicator, AMD fans didn't seem to much care or think anything was a big deal.
Um... a bit of a self-contradiction there, eh? People who have these CPUs and don't know much about them don't know there's anything wrong, and therefore, won't sue. Most people who bought these CPUs and are the fans you pointed out seem satisfied, regardless of the performance loss. I'm sure most people who didn't reach max boost clocks and were upset about it returned their parts and got a refund. The remaining people who would want to sue are a pretty small demographic, and even if it weren't for this BIOS update, AMD never guaranteed the boost clocks, so they don't have a case.
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vbetts:

Which is a very huge part of Intel's business.
Fair enough. But I'm pretty sure most people here are home users. The annoying thing about this, is this was really all avoidable by AMD. Its just really dumb how they have handled and responded to this. They didn't need to overhype their product. It was already competitive. But this is what they do every new product they come out with, GPU or CPU. They oversell and over promise it. https://hexus.net/media/uploaded/2019/7/b82d8e0e-537a-4462-b412-45d4ed8dc554.jpg Sorry, but its a joke really. Like why is this video even still on their YouTube?!
#5707521
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jwb1:

These are BS marketing slides that all companies do. This is not comparable to what you put on a spec sheet and retail box. You know the dffierence.
It kind of is. Say a 9900k is suppose to score 10000 points on IMATESTAPP1 at launch with full boost clocks, this is pre security patches and issues found. Now post score is down to 8600 points on IMATESTAPP1 with full boost clocks. The clocked speed is the same, the system is the same, the only difference is security patches. Same issue with the original Phenom and the TLB bug. Performance was better without the patch, but for workstation and memory workloads it was unstable.
jwb1:

Fair enough. But I'm pretty sure most people here are home users.
We are the minority and no where near the business Intel does.
The annoying thing about this, is this was really all avoidable by AMD. Its just really dumb how they have handled and responded to this. They didn't need to overhype their product. It was already competitive. But this is what they do every new product they come out with, GPU or CPU. They oversell it.
They advertised a product that delivered. That's not "overhyping" anything. It's one thing to have a competitive product, but to show that you have to advertise. They're handling it how any company handles problems, they fix them or settle them. In this case, they are fixing the problem.
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jwb1:

Um, yes they do. Once things were public, they had software fixes out damn quick in BIOS updates - its up to mobo companies to get them out then. Microsoft also had fixes in software. Plus Intel has released hardware fixes in new revisions of newer CPUs. To this day, there are some form of fixes available and not one single damn report of something being exploited. Don't spread BS.
Since you were replying to me I will respond. First Im not fanboy as I own and have owned products from every team CPU and GPU wise. I think you may get negative responses because the Intel security mitigations caused a net performance loss and the AMD BIOS fixes should provide a net performance gain.
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JamesSneed:

the AMD BIOS fixes should provide a net performance gain.
One would hope. Assuming they can even get there.
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jwb1:

One would hope. Assuming they can even get there.
Why wouldn't they? Since Zen 1 AMD has improved and fixed micro code for better memory compatibility and clocking.
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vbetts:

Why wouldn't they? Since Zen 1 AMD has improved and fixed micro code for better memory compatibility and clocking.
Um, So far, their updates have taken away performance. How many agesa versions are they at now? Always with some kind of promise of good news.
#5707528
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jwb1:

One would hope. Assuming they can even get there.
AMD will get there, they always have uner Lisa Su. AMD tends to have more teething issues with new architectures than Intel however AMD are not even as large as some of Intel's smaller divisions so AMD simply can't spend the money doing the same level of QA as Intel.
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jwb1:

Um, So far, their updates have taken away performance. How many agesa versions are they at now? Always with some kind of promise of good news.
The only main bugs were limited to Linux distros running WINE and PBR boosting, which this is fixing. I guess I'm confused what you think the whole launch of Zen 2 has done for AMD? You're making it sound as if Zen 2 was bad for AMD.
#5707537
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Of course they will. AMD haters and ppl who in general want to downplay AMD or make the situation look way worse than it really is - they need to chill - seriously. Pls, if you cant stand this "unacceptable" behavior, use your intel chips. Enjoy the bew vulnerabilities every quarter. Enjoy the false TDP advertised. Enjoy the false boostclocks advertised - which appear like the CPU boosts to this frequency but only one core does that. Enjoy buying new mobo everytime intel decides to add another "+" to their 14nm process. Enjoy worse electricity/heat economy. You are so free to do so. I will enjoy my 6 core / 12 thread CPU for 200 bucks. It has advertised 4.2 boost and it boosts to 4.1 on all cores. Oh how I suffer now!!! Lawsuits incomming!!! Its a new technology, unlike the old glued together cores of the concurrent company. Ofc it will need new bios, firmware, whatever... we who bought it know it. We know these CPUs WILL WORK BETTER DURING THE TIME, contrary to the Intel CPUS WORKING WORSE DURING THE TIME. Its all ok. Rest assured 🙂
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Really excited here for the fix. I'm looking forward to the Asus BIOS update next year to address this.
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butjer1010:

Typical fanboy stuff..... Intel or AMD..... Everybody talking about this like this is some big deal. I don't know why nobody wont talk about memory on mobile phones. My phone has 5684MB RAM (CPU Z, HTC 12+), and it says on GSM arena, on box, everywhere, that it has 6GB???? Every mobile phone i had have, didn't have memory they (company that produce them) stated it has. So, i never heard that someone talked about this. Neither here, neither on sites that are phones specialized. So, my conclusion is - AMD fanboy doesn't care about this "problem", intel fanboy doesn't care about spectre or meltdown, Nvidia fanboy doesn't care about 3,5GB RAM in 970....
There's people that STILL don't know the difference between the way storage size is read by OS and the one stated by hardware manufacturers? Hint: 1000 vs 1024
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I believe AMD will fix it. Let's see.

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