I wish Nintendo would return to form, something with some actual power behind it. Like I get that their games are more focused on younger generation and stuff, but the console should at least be able to play current AAA titles. They can't ride the Wii/Wii U gimmick forever.

Launch 2016, so maybe we'll see 14nm + HBM there. That would make very power efficient device. Those 4 HBM chips which are on Fury X eat virtually nothing on 500MHz. (They do not downclock when there is no load, at least not externally.) May be nice handheld thingy.

I wish Nintendo would return to form, something with some actual power behind it. Like I get that their games are more focused on younger generation and stuff, but the console should at least be able to play current AAA titles. They can't ride the Wii/Wii U gimmick forever.

Or they could also go for a very cheap console that ppl from other than rich countries could actually afford ? ill show u what i mean, what i have to spend on a console: it costs me 1118$ for Nintendo Wii U Premium Black The Legend of Zeldalda or 1699$ for Sony Playstation 4 500GB + Grand Theft Auto V or just sell my GPU for 500$ and buy a new one for 720$ and spend the rest of the cash on games... that is the world for ppl wanting to play on a console - just too expensive and games my god: PS4 AAA titles goes for 329$ and PC like 150$ we do not complain much but man, so many without internet would u like an EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Superclocked ? 2389$ in this world - there would be a million dollar line in the front of a 1 shop if wii u was for 300$ and games for 10-30

It's a shame the WII U hasn't sold well, as it offers something totally different from the competition. If you only play on PC then it is a great console to own, as most aren't released on PC so you get to play something different:)

It's a shame the WII U hasn't sold well, as it offers something totally different from the competition. If you only play on PC then it is a great console to own, as most aren't released on PC so you get to play something different:)

I want one badly, but no go 1-2 year bank loan, if it was 1 year i would not be able to buy games, 2 year would mean i would buy a game occasionally but no cinema, no fast food, pretty much no to everything else

I hope the next console doesn't have that weird PAL & NTSC region lock non-sense.

I wish Nintendo would return to form, something with some actual power behind it. Like I get that their games are more focused on younger generation and stuff, but the console should at least be able to play current AAA titles. They can't ride the Wii/Wii U gimmick forever.

I believe that's what this system is supposed to be, powerful. Could be wrong.

I believe that's what this system is supposed to be, powerful. Could be wrong.

nope you are wrong, it was never about the graphics, its always about good gameplay, nice graphics (smooth, colorfull, not texturised to impossible levels), funky and addictive music

Or they could also go for a very cheap console that ppl from other than rich countries could actually afford ? ill show u what i mean, what i have to spend on a console: it costs me 1118$ for Nintendo Wii U Premium Black The Legend of Zeldalda or 1699$ for Sony Playstation 4 500GB + Grand Theft Auto V or just sell my GPU for 500$ and buy a new one for 720$ and spend the rest of the cash on games... that is the world for ppl wanting to play on a console - just too expensive and games my god: PS4 AAA titles goes for 329$ and PC like 150$ we do not complain much but man, so many without internet would u like an EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Superclocked ? 2389$ in this world - there would be a million dollar line in the front of a 1 shop if wii u was for 300$ and games for 10-30

At those prices, why not just order stuff from the US?

Or they could also go for a very cheap console that ppl from other than rich countries could actually afford ? ill show u what i mean, what i have to spend on a console: it costs me 1118$ for Nintendo Wii U Premium Black The Legend of Zeldalda or 1699$ for Sony Playstation 4 500GB + Grand Theft Auto V or just sell my GPU for 500$ and buy a new one for 720$ and spend the rest of the cash on games... that is the world for ppl wanting to play on a console - just too expensive and games my god: PS4 AAA titles goes for 329$ and PC like 150$ we do not complain much but man, so many without internet would u like an EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Superclocked ? 2389$ in this world - there would be a million dollar line in the front of a 1 shop if wii u was for 300$ and games for 10-30

Are you talking in USD, or Polish Zloty? Because if you're talking about Polish Zloty, all of those prices are within normal, some barely higher then normal. Your monthly minimum wage seems to be pretty low, and monthly minimum wages always confuse me, so maybe that's what you're talking about. But the value of your currency to the value of those games seem to be on par

That is how it looks like in my mind with the world wage: http://i.imgur.com/yNi8dLf.jpg

Or they could also go for a very cheap console that ppl from other than rich countries could actually afford ? ill show u what i mean, what i have to spend on a console: it costs me 1118$ for Nintendo Wii U Premium Black The Legend of Zeldalda or 1699$ for Sony Playstation 4 500GB + Grand Theft Auto V or just sell my GPU for 500$ and buy a new one for 720$ and spend the rest of the cash on games... that is the world for ppl wanting to play on a console - just too expensive and games my god: PS4 AAA titles goes for 329$ and PC like 150$ we do not complain much but man, so many without internet would u like an EVGA GeForce GTX 980 Superclocked ? 2389$ in this world - there would be a million dollar line in the front of a 1 shop if wii u was for 300$ and games for 10-30

With prices like that I'm surprised there isn't a much larger black/gray market for products like this. edit\ This says here that it costs $629 USD for a Playstation 4 in Poland. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-18/pricey-ps4-the-most-expensive-countries-to-buy-a-playstation-4.html Then I tried to find info on Nintendo in the Polish marketplace and discovered this article... http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2013/11/feature_why_nintendo_isnt_popular_in_poland I'm not sure how accurate that was, but it was definitely informative.

With prices like that I'm surprised there isn't a much larger black/gray market for products like this. edit\ This says here that it costs $629 USD for a Playstation 4 in Poland. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-18/pricey-ps4-the-most-expensive-countries-to-buy-a-playstation-4.html Then I tried to find info on Nintendo in the Polish marketplace and discovered this article... http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2013/11/feature_why_nintendo_isnt_popular_in_poland I'm not sure how accurate that was, but it was definitely informative.

no one is capable of doing fake and fast GPU - it just would not be any good and when there is no black market, there's a grey area of brand new graphic cards that make some tiny little artefacts like once per week

nope you are wrong, it was never about the graphics, its always about good gameplay, nice graphics (smooth, colorfull, not texturised to impossible levels), funky and addictive music

Nope they need to make this one powerful, or atleast on par with PS4. The reason being is they need 3rd party titles to survive, and they will only get that if it's similar to other consoles. The Wii U has done badly because of those reasons, people don't want it as they see it as weak (even though 1st party games are awesome on it) and 3rd party developers won't release games on it as not enough people own the console. So making it powerful will mean more people buy it, which will also mean 3rd party developers will make games for it.

Nope they need to make this one powerful, or atleast on par with PS4. The reason being is they need 3rd party titles to survive, and they will only get that if it's similar to other consoles. The Wii U has done badly because of those reasons, people don't want it as they see it as weak (even though 1st party games are awesome on it) and 3rd party developers won't release games on it as not enough people own the console. So making it powerful will mean more people buy it, which will also mean 3rd party developers will make games for it.

who will buy it ? ppl already have consoles, fight for PS4 price/performance was lost even with Microsofts power at the back, they would need like 4k now which is out of the boundaries even with your dollars in the pocket, almost nobody will buy a 1500$ wii u2 just like almost nobody buys Wii U in my country for over 1k, just too expensive for toy Sony and Microsoft knows that very well - they know how good these are selling in developing countries - they just dont. Its like i know someone who knows someone that owns a PS4. I maybe translate for u how good the PS4 is doing: ***346;wietne wyniki sprzeda***380;y PS4 w Polsce: 100 tys. sztuk coraz bli***380;ej Great selling of PS4 in Poland: 100k coming... and that's it 100k for 38.530.000 ppl that number should be even less with nintendo - just doesn't exist, because in Poland we want to play AAA titles, some of those ppl have a gaming PC or a PS4 - not together its very rare

Because most countries can afford it. You are glossing over the fact that if Nintendo don't make a console that people want to buy and developers want to make games for, Nintendo will die. Over 10 million PS4 have been sold, so they won't have any trouble selling a console that costs more in most countries. Sucks for you, but sadly they don't look at 1 country when setting performance/price. The Wii U was a cheap console and look how that did. In Poland they don't have a distributor which leads to higher prices. It has nothing to do with the price of the actual console or games. Until things change games and consoles will always cost more in Poland. For most other countries the prices are pretty low. They could make a really cheaper console, but in your country it would still cost a lot.

"Over 10 million PS4 have been sold" That is a good quote, 10m sold, and 1m bought every AAA title they wanted to and 9m bought 2-3 games yet - nice maths ? im sure there are a lot of players playing single player - because they didn't buy a PSN oh just look: http://i.imgur.com/Ik1yuR3.jpg this is no joke - nintendo "fakes" selling like crazy - with mario

"Over 10 million PS4 have been sold" That is a good quote, 10m sold, and 1m bought every AAA title they wanted to and 9m bought 2-3 games yet - nice maths ? im sure there are a lot of players playing single player - because they didn't buy a PSN

I literally have no clue what you are on about.... I said over 10m, and looking at more recent info it's over 20 million. So again why wouldn't a more powerful Nintendo sell well? It's just a issue in your country, most of Europe and USA the prices are pretty low. http://uk.ign.com/articles/2015/04/30/sony-announces-lifetime-ps4-sales-hit-223-million-mark

I literally have no clue what you are on about.... I said over 10m, and looking at more recent info it's over 20 million. So again why wouldn't a more powerful Nintendo sell well? It's just a issue in your country, most of Europe and USA the prices are pretty low. http://uk.ign.com/articles/2015/04/30/sony-announces-lifetime-ps4-sales-hit-223-million-mark

not only in my country i think there are a lot more in the area called: China, Russia, Ukraine, Romany and so on... like 80% of the bloody globe and again PS4 has sold already, nintendo will not fit in there now, innovation didn't work for them, making the fastest 1080p will not do either now, not while the marked is already filled up, what i suggest is to deeply go back in time and make a 720p simple console with simple pad - no analog sticks, no dual screen, no 3d stereoscopic, and god damn put a power supply in the box and a mario with cooperative multiplayer, no wifi (usb-additional accessory)etc... sorry i just see no reason that this: http://i.imgur.com/nFTpHTu.jpg is not able to run on a 60$ box...( 4 core A53 with 4 core T760 graphics )

I'm concerned about AMD...@ home I've run nothing except AMD cpus since 1999, and AMD/ATi gpus since 2002, and I make a point of supporting them by buying products based on their core-logic and their cpus & gpus, currently. I'm not worried about Intel--but I want to see AMD remain a competitive alternative--I have nothing whatever against Intel; I just don't want to see them all alone in the x86 cpu markets once again. (Shades of the $600-$1k Pentiums. Remember?) Like Microsoft, AMD made some serious mistakes in the last few years in the x86 cpu arena, but unlike Microsoft AMD doesn't have the financial headroom to make such mistakes and survive. Intel, too, can well afford to make the kinds of mistakes AMD can't afford to make. I think they (AMD) were dead wrong to run to the device craze started by the iPad (people have already tired of it) and ARM embedded cpus. I think there's still time for a complete recovery, and a robust future for the company, but AMD needs the muscle of powerful x86 alternatives to Intel to survive--so here's hoping Zen will turn out to be another Athlon...!...;) I mean, AMD did it once--why not again? That's the essence of competition, after all (Nobody thought AMD could do it then, either.) With the burden of the FABs off of its back, but with priority status at GF, AMD is in a very good position. Provided they come up with the technology. There's the rub, isn't it? The only reason AMD is here today is because it leapfrogged Intel technically with Athlon. I'd really enjoy seeing them do that again. With the current anti-trust agreements between AMD & Intel, AMD could capitalize on such an tech advantage as it was never able to do against Intel's stranglehold on the markets when the Athlon was introduced. Console deals are fine for providing a base of income from which to pay out expenses--most companies would kill for the console contracts AMD has won. But the company really needs to get back into the x86 desktop cpu business in a big way...If anyone can lead the company there it will be Lisa Su, imo...