AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D is 6% faster in gaming than Core i9-13900K
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barbacot
I don't think that both are in the same class: from the price point of view 7950X3D is flying solo as "pricey" - 13900k MSRP was 589$ so 110 $ cheaper and you can find it now with 529$ which is not bad at all...I think that 7950X3D is a marketing mistake - expensive, complicated to use with more bios settings... the only one worth it will be 7800X3D.
mackintosh
I don't believe a random leaker, but I do believe that you must be testing at least one of those CPUs by now and wouldn't post a completely bogus rumour if there wasn't any substance to it.
MonstroMart
The 7800X3D should be faster than the 7950X3D in gaming though.
icedman
Comparing msrp is nonsense as they never actually mean anything anymore, it's been a while but here in Canada anytime I check AMD is always far better value.
Intel has only beaten AMD recently in some of the low and mid end and even then their motherboards are more expensive.
Horus-Anhur
Only 16% above the 7950X. That's not much.
For Zen4 owners, it might be better to just tune the memory and save good chunk of cash.
Reardan
Did you expect like...30-40% or what. 16% is a healthy jump.
Denial
I feel like that's a lot? That makes it ~30% faster than a 5950X. I don't think you're memory tuning that kind of performance.
That's not to say that I think all Z4 owners should run out and upgrade.. but if you're sitting on a 3k series processor like a 3950x or less.. you're looking at almost a 50% increase in performance by making the jump + you're getting a whole new platform where you can probably slot the next 3 series or so in.
GarrettL
What is the peak power draw of the 13900k compared to the 7950x? Effienciecy should be taken into consideration as well.
BlindBison
Assuming the scheduling is done right, I would think 7950X3D would be slightly faster since you could run the game on the X3D chiplet and perhaps run the OS or other tasks on the normal chiplet. Some games also do seem to benefit from "going wide" across a few CCXs despite the latency penalty.
I'm reminded of the more recent Windows 11 tests for 13th gen Intel CPUs with E-cores on vs off. Initially it wasn't a big deal but in more recent tests the chips are doing noticeably better in games with the E-cores on (happy to dig up some tests for that if you like). Not really the same design philosophy as AMD's chiplets though I suppose. I also recall usually the 5800X performs slightly worse in games than the 5950X in terms of 1% lows especially. Though I did notice these days the 7700X was outperforming in some games so who knows.
Side note, man the 13700K is just a killer chip this generation. Not great efficiency compared to AMD but the performance and net value of that part seems pretty awesome. Though for gaming I'm guessing the 7800X3D will supplant it.
chispy
That 7950x3d was compared against a 13900k at stock clocks with low memory speeds of ddr5-6000Mhz. Now i wish they did the same test with the 13900k overclocked to 5.7~6.0Ghz and ddr5-7200~8200Mhz and i bet onced tuned and overclocked that 13900k will have the lead 🙂 . I will have to wait for propper reviews to see if this is true 😏 . So glad my 13700k is a good overclocker and at 5.7Ghz on H2O and ddr5-7800Mhz will properly feed the 4090 on my system , it will get the most out of this configuration and plays anything i trow at it with no bottlenecks.
It seems to me the one to get is the 7800x3d , that one the price will be more reasonable and a good cpu. Not bad for gaming for just adding 3D cache.
Horus-Anhur
The X3D parts seem good for people who don't know how to overclock and tune memory.
Non-overclockers, might be able to just stick a 5600 MT/s kit and still have great performance.
But for people that know their stuff about OC, like you, a 13900 will be the better choice.
BlindBison
I used to spend painstaking hours manually testing memory timings for stability -- I just can't be bothered anymore. Not only because of the time required but also because in my experience even if the OC is completely stable it may still wind up shortening the life of the part and that's something I don't want. Have had too many parts fail within a 1-2 year window.
These days I just run things at stock as they were factory tested to work and if I want a faster part then I buy it. Seems like the 13900K is thermally limited more than anything else in the tests I've seen -- even with a very good cooling setup the thing will rocket to 100 degrees then it has to scale back its clocks. Perhaps it would be a good candidate for undervolting?
moab600
Just one more week to find out, but it might be less exciting than 5800X3D.
barbacot
To people saying "16% faster than the Ryzen 9 7950X": you missed the part with "up to". And with "up to" and "These are official AMD benchmarks" taken in consideration the whole picture is not so sunny for them. My wife has a 3950X and I am waiting for these reviews to decide what to buy between the 13900k, 7950X or 7950X3D but right now I am more inclined towards 7950X only because I hate the hybrid arch Intel nonsense otherwise it would have been 13900k all the way. 7950X3D doesn't look good if these are AMD official benchmarks.
TLD LARS
I am looking forward to 7950x 3d tests with cores disabled to simulate a 7800x 3d.
If I can get close to a top trimmed 13900k in gaming performance for a good price and keep my old aircooler it would be nice and cheap.
Reardan
To people saying I missed the "Up to" part I would encourage you to read the fucking chart that is literally the OP of this thread. The 16% is the AVERAGE if you go with "UP TO" its actually 41% like jesus fucking christ read the fucking chart its not fucking hard
kanenas
complicated to use with more bios settings...
I have read it many times from many people but the reality is that AMD already gives the processors close to 100%, the 5 settings that I will change in the bios to "push" my processor are certainly much less than changing only the frequencies of Intel's P cores not to mention all the other changes that a 12/13k needs to become the "best".
Venix
You have a 13600 makes absolutely no sense to update to anything just for gaming! IMHO :P
kanenas
The proper reviews will be done as they have been done all this time with factory settings,JEDEK configurations,or "sweet spot" of each processor,and it is possible this time AMD will pay Intel with the same "currency",as for the high frequencies in the memories above 7400 you need an expensive motherboard 690,790 but even then such high frequencies will only be useful for cpu z,AIDA or if your system is idling,in games it is difficult to run these settings and it will always there is the instability factor,also spoils the logic that AMD systems are MORE EXPENSIVE.
kanenas
Unofficial benchmarks with n/a bios,not latest chipset driver and 6000 ram with XMP/EXPO configuration(not tuned).
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