if you're going to play at 4k save even more cash and get a 5600 and some cheap as heck DDR4. Also who is going to pair a 3090 with a low end CPU on either side of the fence? So that reasoning doesn't work when you take into account the "mah Intel R betterz" group.
The 5600 from what I found is actually $20 more expensive. Albeit, you can overclock it, which could give it more longevity.
Like I said, there's no noteworthy loss in performance when you go to these cheaper parts in 4K. It might be weird to pair an i5 or R5 with a 3090 and it isn't helping future-proof your system, but it will work just fine.
Really, my point is that CPUs aren't that important for gaming anymore, so it doesn't make sense to spend crazy amounts for just a few extra FPS.
Andy Watson:
Not sure why people are getting so over excited about this processor at that price when zen 4 is so close.
It's a solid choice for upgrading an existing Zen platform. Otherwise yeah, it doesn't make sense to get it.
Surprisingly significant gains in gaming when it comes to driving monster GPUs at 1080p.
Worse everywhere else at the price point. Weird niche product.
The 5600 from what I found is actually $20 more expensive. Albeit, you can overclock it, which could give it more longevity.
Like I said, there's no noteworthy loss in performance when you go to these cheaper parts in 4K. It might be weird to pair an i5 or R5 with a 3090 and it isn't helping future-proof your system, but it will work just fine.
Really, my point is that CPUs aren't that important for gaming anymore, so it doesn't make sense to spend crazy amounts for just a few extra FPS
The whole argument is "a few extra FPS" hence why we see a far cheaper CPU on an older platform beating the hardcore Intel platform which any normal person would not have been too worried about being the best but now anyone who invested in an AM4 platform of at least B450 (not sure I'd trust X300) can get the "fastest gaming CPU" which beats current gen Intel even now. Of course those people on lower systems wouldn't be likely to have a video card fast enough to take advantage of this. Needless to say the X3D chip doesn't make anymore sense to get than the 12900K or KS if only gaming does. Personally I opted to get a 5700X the other day as I wanted a bit better of a CPU than my 3700X and I can feel confident as an unexpected 3090 owner my CPU isn't bottlenecking performance.
Really, my point is that CPUs aren't that important for gaming anymore, so it doesn't make sense to spend crazy amounts for just a few extra FPS.
they're still important,it's more about the average gaming cpu being quite fast already.
take a look at that 5800x3d,at 14400p 12400f offers 91% of its performance,costs 1/3rd
Nice, now just lower the price by $50 and put an iGPU in it and I would buy it, for my use case I need an iGPU, and not a gimped performance AMD APU either, this is why I am still on Intel, full performance CPU's with an iGPU in them.
Interesting article, i doubt we'll see 5900X/5950X 3D version tho, would have been interested by a 5950X 3D.
Fascinating to see that this 1.5 year old CPU can still compete with latest Intel once given a L3 boost.
Thanks HH for not incl useless 720p benches. This definitely king of the gaming chips. Surprised its even pulled ahead considerably in some 1440p benches. But ultimately its the chip one would upgrade to for 1080p gaming.
What a weird product, i wouldn't imagine the cache would work only on games and nothing else.
I thought zip and other applications would benefit too.
I can get a 5800X or a 5700X now 😀
power consumption from computerbase
58w vs 105w 5800x3d vs 12900k
12900k is 1% faster in that review,but to my eyes,they absolutely ruined intel in gaming with this efficiency result.are you kidding me ? this is incredible.
Impressive that it can be up to around 20% faster than the regular 5800X in games even with the lower clocks. But I'll stick with my vanilla 5800X since it's only paired with a mere 3070 anyway
never going to happen
3D cache is physically over the top of many cores so it isn't OC-able
i suggest you wait six months for the R9 7950x which will be OC-able/ or get one of the 2-3 models w/3D cache with R4
Does sitting on top automatically mean that they would be electrically shorted of some sort? My question is if we can feed so many different parts of the cpu with such variety of voltages why not this?
Does sitting on top automatically mean that they would be electrically shorted of some sort? My question is if we can feed so many different parts of the cpu with such variety of voltages why not this?
it's not the voltage it's the heat derived therefrom.
semi-conductors or just plain silicon is a poor conductor of heat and the cache lies between the cores and the heatspreader.
Cache is King 😀
Very good results! Imagine Amd came with this from the start! Then Intel had to done something more. Too bad there is no reason to upgrade my 5950x, as there is no 5950x3d
I wonder where's that Rabid Intel fanboy going to say in relation to what he's yapping on the previous 5800X3D article: https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd-ryzen-7-5800x3d-1080p-and-720p-gaming-gets-tested.html
Anyhow, this is a step in the right direction for AMD and this will remind Intel not to sit on their laurels with their inefficient 12th Gen series.
Still rocking an ancient 8700k (an upgrade from FX8320) but will surely jump back to AMD platform as soon as 7000 Series/Zen 4 has been released.
Good job AMD!
Agreed, note also the 5800x really has a boost of 4850MHz not 4700, so it is even further away in productivity benchmarks.
As you said games get a boost but then that just ends up as a pissing contest between fan boys on forums as in the real world people will not spot the difference.
Not sure why people are getting so over excited about this processor at that price when zen 4 is so close.
easy
GPUs are mad expensive. this will give existing systems a similar boost to buying a top card w/o the expense and it can be slotted in existing mobo's
it will give existing ryzen users a boost similar to a gpu costing twice as much. and as most people game in 1080p/1440p this is an awesome value.
Nice, now just lower the price by $50 and put an iGPU in it and I would buy it, for my use case I need an iGPU, and not a gimped performance AMD APU either, this is why I am still on Intel, full performance CPU's with an iGPU in them.
get the Ryzen 7 5700G
it has the very best igpu (by far) and can play any title @1080p from "high" to "ultimate"
Excellent review as always Hilbert. Though there is a typo in the 1440p results' title: "AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D review - Performance - Gaming RTX 3090 - 2560x1440 (QHD)x1080 (Full HD)"
I was thinking maybe I should get a 5900X since that'll now be cheaper than 5800X3D (at least in Canada), but it seems even if a 5900X is OC'd it still won't match the X3D in the cases where the cache really matters.
Now I wish someone would post some emulation benchmarks, that's where I'm the most CPU bottlenecked.
Cache is King 😀
Very good results! Imagine Amd came with this from the start! Then Intel had to done something more. Too bad there is no reason to upgrade my 5950x, as there is no 5950x3d
It's seems there wouldn't be a point for a 5950x3d seing that there is no benefit for content creation, i know that still you could use it for gaming too
It's seems there wouldn't be a point for a 5950x3d seing that there is no benefit for content creation, i know that still you could use it for gaming too
i suspect two R4 skus matching the 5800x and 5900x. i suspect the 5900x like variant to have better clocks as the cache could be over a (mostly) unused chiplet
Well, AMD did what it promised:
"From this small sample though, we found that the 5800X3D is slightly faster than the 12900K when using the same DDR4 memory.
It's a small 5% margin, but that did make it 19% faster than the 5900X on average, so AMD's 15% claim is looking good."
https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/attachments/1649953329022-png.243604/
Quite an impressive comeback within the generation even without DDR5 support.
58w vs 105w 5800x3d vs 12900k 12900k is 1% faster in that review,but to my eyes,they absolutely ruined intel in gaming with this efficiency result.are you kidding me ? this is incredible.