AMD Ryzen 7 4700GE Memory Test: Shows Low Latency at 47.6 ns
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nizzen
Looks like they used Ln2 before they switched to aio cooler 🙂
Look at the "insulation" on the MB.
sbacchetta
I hope for Intel sake that this is not a sign of things to come for Vermeer...
Mundosold
These are monolithic design instead of the Chiplet design of their normal Zen2 desktop chips. Because they have no separate IO die, they don't have to deal with the higher latencies and power usage.
I suspect the reason AMD has been slow at releasing Zen2 desktop APUS is because they are TOO good. They'd eat away at the higher margins the Chiplet design has, who would buy a 3800X/XT if a 4700GE beat it in gaming? But that isn't too big a problem with Zen3 around the corner now.
Intel is in a lot of trouble AMD has the chiplet design which gives them the massive scalability needed to make 64 core chips, while also having yields so good that they can now produce monolithic consumer oriented chips that work well for gaming and laptops. All AMD needs now is some 6w monolthic quad core chips for embedded devices and x86 tablets.
schmidtbag
bobblunderton
wavetrex
If they manage to get IF speeds much higher on Zen 3 ( 2200 Mhz+ ), those CPUs will rip a new one to Intel, including in their last fortress: "gaming performance"
Zen2 CPUs capable of 1933 Mhz IF (very rare) get really close to 9900K already (and 10900K isn't much better).
Another 300 Mhz there and DDR4-4400 Linked will be wrecking, with potentially under 50ns memory latency and much lower inter-core latency.
(And if they manage slightly higher base/boosts as well, that will add to the mix of winning)
JamesSneed
@schmidtbag I fully expect that is where Zen3 is going with 8-core CCX's. You get up to 8-cores in a monolithic like design with great latency which should also help in lower power devices like laptops by reducing Infinity Fabric power draw. I expect AMD's APU's in 2021 with Zen3 and RDNA2 will be pretty competent at 1080p gaming. We should be seeing APU's that can outperform the new XBOX chips in 2021. To me it is very obvious where AMD is heading and frankly if I were Nvidia I would be very concerned about the 5 year outlook when APU's start to heavily eat into dedicated GPU sales. Intel also sees this since its why they started the whole big GPU push it isn't so much to have dedicated GPU's 10 years from now its because they have to invest to then make that design as an EMIB chiplet for competitive APU designs.
Oversemper
Kool64
8 is the new 4 in terms of gaming but it should be more than enough for 5-10 years. Not unlike 4C/4T CPUs lasting so long. However many (especially young) gamers like to do the 4k stream while playing. I personally will never do that though I am lazy with broswer tabs and keeping things open while gaming so 8C fits me perfectly.
schmidtbag
gerardfraser
Put my beloved 16GB DDR4 4000 B-Die today for sale and bought 32 GB DDR4 4400Mhz ram for the new AMD CPU's. Bring it on. Even though the new speeds anticipated will not even make a difference in my PC gaming at 4K.
neikosr0x
Hummm, maybe AMD will be releasing 12 Cores Dies for Zen 3. That will resolve the latency problem and other stuff.
TiePhiter
I had a feeling we were going to see exactly this situation with the memory in regards to Zen 3's IMC.
It's the one part of the architecture they haven't really perfected yet, and clearly they have worked on it a lot. A Ryzen CPU /w 4233MHz RAM @ CL14!!!!!!
I'm legitimately almost drooling at the thought of Zen architecture with RAM and IF/IMC speeds above 4000 stable for 24/7 use.
mohiuddin
Anyone can feel it?
8c/16t is the new 4c/8t ... huh?
Even though i don't do much on my pc except "GAMING", Gaming never ever was in the list of predisposing factors of my unbearable itch of upgrading my processor.
Oversemper
mohiuddin
nizzen
https://www.overclock.net/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=356168&d=1592836072
Drolling about unreleased hardware?
This is old hardware 😉