Andy Watson:

There was a lot of frenzy over the latest nVidia graphics cards and also over Zen3, so unsurprisingly demand far exceeded supply. That's not the definition of a paper launch though. In the past it would be when the hardware company released information and details to the hardware journalists and general public on their new design but nothing was shipped. They did this normally as they needed a place holder as not competitive with their current line-up. A classic example of this was the nVidia NV30 "launch", the actual card did not appear until months later, to little fanfare as it turned out. That is not a paper launch. This is the exact opposite -- nvidia 3000 series and Zen 3 sales were soon after the presentations. Unless paper launch now means " I didn't manage to get one and other people did" Even the twitter person who complains in the original article has to use the words "technically" and "practically" to try and say it is a paper launch. Paper launch is the wrong wording, it is used though because it had become a generic term to lambast manufacturers over recent years, away from the original meaning.

emperorsfist:

Seems like this gen of GPUs/CPUs is cursed. Or at least this year is.

Fox2232:

Then 5700 non-XT was paper launch as you can still get 5700 XT, not non-XT is no longer available while AMD did not officially announce EOL. Did you know that all Tesla cars on streets are still paper launch by your logic? I can tell you, there is one company that would love you to be true. And that's intel. Because they are bleeding money left and right as their clients are queuing for AMD. And again. I could have got all of them on launch day. Day later and so on. You want to pick one out of 4 released chip as example (5900X), because it is currently only chip that's unavailable. But you are not thinking. 5600X is available. It is AMD's choice to balance how many 6C/12T chiplets go to 5900X and how many go into 5600X. AMD is not oracle to know future. And neither is you. Actually, you are as far from someone who has any sort of foresight as anyone can be. AMD did not expect that people will go for 5900X that much. And as they now have better knowledge on demand for each part, it is easy for them to fix it. They are making more money per 5900X than they make per two 5600X anyway. It is just question of shifting production, and logistics. And all your crying about Physical world not being internet fast is pointless. It takes time to deliver product form one continent to another.

Goiur:

As i said in another thread, its not the same scale of failure, but its pretty clear that the demand was WAY higher than the available stock and AMD failed to plan the launch and make a sotck big enough to support demand. Because of that many of us are waiting and we dont even know for how long. PS: And yep.. i preordered 2 weeks in advance. The store got 2 5900x lol

Goiur:

As i said in another thread, its not the same scale of failure, but its pretty clear that the demand was WAY higher than the available stock and AMD failed to plan the launch and make a sotck big enough to support demand. Because of that many of us are waiting and we dont even know for how long. PS: And yep.. i preordered 2 weeks in advance. The store got 2 5900x lol

Goiur:

Language is a living thing, many wordings change their meaning over time. Ofc its not a literal "paper launch" but if only (random number) 20% of the people that wants to buy an item on launch day is able to get it, we are pretty close to the original meaning of the wording so we can use it.

Fox2232:

You are living in world that has finite resources. And that applies to production capacity too. Want to blame someone, blame your incompetent local shop. Or better, check mirror, there's guy who did not learn that his local shop sux. And did not learn that logistics does not end at shop's door. You can order things from places far away and they'll be delivered. Yes, you do not have to walk into brick and mortar store to pick ordered goods. Except you have no idea if 10% or 90% of people got their products. Happy clients keep their mouth shut for most part. Unsatisfied ones are always vocal. Like a newborn babies, wanting attention. So, your 20% statement could have been "pretty close to original meaning" if only it was not based on completely wrong premise and was not false by argument logic. "Goiur, you are pretty close to having right argument. But being pretty close to being right still means, that you are wrong."

Goiur:

As i said in another thread, its not the same scale of failure, but its pretty clear that the demand was WAY higher than the available stock and AMD failed to plan the launch and make a sotck big enough to support demand. Because of that many of us are waiting and we dont even know for how long. PS: And yep.. i preordered 2 weeks in advance. The store got 2 5900x lol

kapu:

Should have gone with better store . There were shops that got hundreds

Goiur:

Maybe, but i still like to chose where i buy. If some stores got "hundreds" and this one could only get 2, something went terribly wrong beside the size of the store.

Silva:

AMD didn't replace Ryzen 3000 with these for a reason. The process node is the same, so they probably allocated some Ryzen 5000 in place of 3000, but not too much. And you guys wonder why AMD Ryzen the prices, it's all gone! They could have matched Intel price/performance with even higher prices and people would buy them all. 5800X is at such a bad price point some reviewers recommend either getting the 5900X or just getting the cheaper Intel alternative (for gaming). Yes, intel is cheaper at 5800X level. Crazy to say this, I know.

Goiur:

Maybe, but i still like to chose where i buy. If some stores got "hundreds" and this one could only get 2, something went terribly wrong beside the size of the store.

Goiur:

Language is a living thing, many wordings change their meaning over time. Ofc its not a literal "paper launch" but if only (random number) 20% of the people that wants to buy an item on launch day is able to get it, we are pretty close to the original meaning of the wording so we can use it.

Fox2232:

Right tool for the right job. "I rarely go shopping under rock. But when I go, it is for worms as I go fishing."

Andy Watson:

A paper launch is a launch on paper only. hence the term. You are correct that words change over time but the words paper and launch are still used in the same way as in the last 20 years. It's just the wrong terminology being used for people who are too lazy or ignorant and end up just parroting an expression incorrectly.

kapu:

Intel is current budget option for gaming , i spoke withone small shop here in poland and they told me still most budged PCs now are build with INTEL , as AMD can't compete price performace ,this is reality in Poland. i5 10400f is just about 170eur . Ryzen 3600 (210eur) isnt big match for gaming and it is more expensive 10400f will beat 3600 at almost any game any scenario , not OC no nothing . For average joe , that want to save some money , Intel is way to go now , things reversed. ( it is exactly opposite how it was just 2 years ago).

Silva:

Can't argue with you: if I had to buy a new computer today on a tight budget, I'd get the 10400f instead of 3600. Prices here are similar: 10400F is 160€ wile 3600 is 215€. To make matters worse, AMD didn't lower prices with the 5000 series. I won't be upgrading if the AMD prices don't come down, they can keep them.