AMD Radeon RX 6700 XT could be slower than GeForce RTX 3060 Ti
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kapu
They didn't tested just two games , you need to watch whole video and read description . All games show similar behavior . Watch dogs is good example because it is nvidia game 🙂
cucaulay malkin
im seeing horizon and wd legion.
https://i.imgur.com/E07mW9y.jpg
kapu
Yes this is what they showed but tested more games .
"Some additional information: If you want to learn more about this topic I highly recommended watching this video by NerdTech: [youtube=nIoZB-cnjc0] You can also follow him on Twitter for some great insights into how PC hardware works: https://twitter.com/nerdtechgasm As for the video, please note I also tried testing with the Windows 10 Hardware-Accelerated GPU Scheduling feature enabled and it didn't change the results beyond the margin of error. This GeForce overhead issue wasn’t just seen in Watch Dogs Legion and Horizon Zero Dawn, as far as we can tell this issue will be seen in all DX12 and Vulkan games when CPU limited, likely all DX11 games as well. We’ve tested many more titles such as Rainbow Six Siege, Assassin’s Creed Valhalla, Cyberpunk 2077, Shadow of the Tomb Raider, and more."
cucaulay malkin
where are the results then ? why is he saying that ?
I don't have a problem with their conclusion.like I said,I've seen this long ago already.
I'm saying with this review it's absolutely impossible to judge anything else than how a high end card will perform on a $100 cpu in,literally,a couple of dx12 games.no vulkan,no dx11.no cpu in between worst and best single thread you can get.
Chess
I see people again have to cherry pick reviews in order to support their point. And other will pick and choose their counter arguments.
Fine.
Can we have a list of mutual agreed on, mutually respected review authorities?
This discrediting and gaslighting has to stop. If not, we'll stop being a community and we're essentially sailing blind with having to do all our reviews ourselves.
We neither have the time, energy, money and resources nevermind the moral status to do so.
Learn to agree to disagree.
Ps. Yes, you can dig into my post history and see I'm being hypocritical. Doesn't mean I won't report you.
Silva
I didn't want to stir the discussion around the YT channel HU, but my opinion is that they are not biased.
They have both recommended or not Intel/Nvidia/AMD where applicable.
Currently they trash AMD for not having a DLSS option and their RT performance being subpar.
Their test system changed recently to AMD because it is the fastest processor and 16 cores will never bottleneck a GPU.
They trash both companies, AMD specially, for no availability of GPUs. Only Nvidia has tried to censure them for no reason at all, as they cover RT and DLSS extensively on their channel.
You just can't hide the fact that 3090 is absolute shit at that price and a money grab, and 3080 has too little memory although a good card.
AMD only failed on availability, the 6000 series performance wise is spot on. But we need 10x more cards of what they are producing right now...
cucaulay malkin
didn't they have a spat with nvidia about doing the exact opposite ?
I like them,but more like a publicity stunt example to follow if you wanna make a profitable YT tech channel.
this a 6700xt thread tho.
kapu
I take his word for it , never had any doubts in their testing . It shows that nVidia GPU will have much lower performance on 100$ cpu than AMD GPU in CPU bottleneck , and it is true . Maybe nvidia can fix it and users can benefit . They did good job.
Astyanax
No they aren't.
HU will ignore the logical factors involved in why something is different and report it as a defect or flaw.
2 Things at play with his video.
1> Nvidia is not forcing the CPU to prepare as many frames in advance (Input Latency Win)
2> Nvidia uses advanced power gating to shutdown chip regions under lower resolution and load. (Performance Down, Power savings up).
if the cpu is weaker, in a static flip queue less frames get sent to the gpu and this combined with SM gating returns lower fps.
The Radeon is using more CPU to achieve its output
1> Has the input lag prior to gpu render time suffered? (not tested)
2> Do Radeons use power gating in the way nvidia does? (No they don't)
cucaulay malkin
3090/6900xt and 1600x/10100 specifically
fair point,but the testing subject to form a thesis like that is too narrow.how often will I see that ?
2/2 games is 100% according to hub
I always had a feeling their tests are made intentionally vague.
Undying
Review in a week. It will beat even the 3070. People will be surprised.
mikeysg
Yep, many lick the boots of nVidia when told to do so, HU did not, gotta give 'em props for that!
Fox2232
You are right. Wrong software picking is just wrong. Valheim popped out into existence last month and it came as Early access. It is like hyperbole for wrong pickings. 🙂
cucaulay malkin
dude,there are games that are 5 years old and are broken.meanwhile valheim in early access runs flawlessly for me.
I guess it matters for whatever number of people bought it too.
kapu
In raster 1080/1440p i think it will trade blows 🙂 in RT there isnt any debate.
cucaulay malkin
amd's slides are not gonna be 100% representative,but this geekbench is just completely bogus in comparison.
Fox2232
And are results so surprising since Valheim is DX11 title and is on GeForce NOW? Not rly.
And it does not change fact that saying one brand is baseline and other is all over place is just wrong. Because moment you put AMD's cards as baseline, nVidia's performance will be all around the place too. That's just basic mathematical fact.
Same way as using OpenCL for gaming comparison estimation is wrong.
Like RX 5700 XT is in general very close to Radeon VII in gaming, but their compute performance is quite different. Each architecture has quite different ratio between compute and rendering performance.
I am just pointing out wrong approaches without disputing actual numerical results.
Wrong baseline is like saying that people 190cm tall are baseline. 210cm are tall and 170cm are short. Even if global average was used for baseline, it would be wrong. Because there is very smart saying: Right tool for right job.
kapu
For last months i never found Geekbench to be even near the truth.
cucaulay malkin
i only know this name from headlines
it's vulkan
not what I said,I said nvidia and amd have their own baselines,not one is baseline for the other
Astyanax
You clearly haven't done any terraforming then.
