AMD Project Quantum powered by Intel
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Asgardi
No its not. Intel CPU and Nvidia GPU even better 😉
Relayer
Dual Fiji on a pci-e 2 bus, which is all AMD currently offers, think about it???
cowie
that's embarrassing .
I don't think it took ballz but lack of brains in the position amd is in right now if it was better it would be different
vbetts
Moderator
Makes sense. AMD doesn't have a cpu that fits what Intel has currently.
a. Low Power. No AMD CPU's or APU's are low powered.
b. Low TDP. There are no AM3+ ITX boards due to power and heat generated, while there are FM2+ ITX boards my next point will lead to why they did not choose an FM2+ APU.
c. Even with ITX support on FM2+, there would not be an APU strong enough to push the dual Fury.
Zen might if AMD can keep power down, but they need to shrink it down to do that.
LimitbreakOr
Yeah vbetts, I agree. I think an fx 8370 could drive tge dual Fiji easily with every game except a few like civ5, and with Dx12 it is completely a non issue. The problem is power usage in a small form factor, I retain that amd should not be selling Intel CPUs no matter what.
Clouseau
Am I missing something. All these pictures are just prototypes at the moment. There has not even been a mention of a launch date. All we know is that all this has been an advertisement that dual gpus can fit into a small form factor pc.
Evildead666
Wow, I didn't know the Consoles were running high TDP chips ?
Ever heard of Puma+ or Carrizo ?
The lack of AM3+ boards is due to manufacturers, not AMD.
I have an AM2(+) ITX board, because I wanted one, but had a hard time finding it at the time (a few years back).
There isn't really an AMD CPU/APU available today that could push a dual Fiji.
Zen should be on smaller process than the current 32/28nm, so no shrinking needed. Its not like its available now.
skwidbol
I wish they could have put\built a custom sized power supply and stick it at the bottom. A super flat psu of the same size as the mini itx would have been better. That external power supply is huge!
vbetts
Moderator
Consoles are running Jaguar, which still would not be able to push a dual fiji card. And while there has not been too much released about Puma+ or Carrizo, I'm going to assume they are in the same boat until Zen comes into play.
AM2 and AM2+ had chipsets from Nvidia, Via, and older AMD/ATI chipsets that allowed the form factor that did not require the power that newer cpu's require, where as since the 7 series chipset from AMD the form factor requires too much power. You would pretty much have a motherboard with nothing but transistors, regulators, and still probably require a daughterboard!
Exactly, so then why try a Fury?
Which is what I'm saying.
Clouseau
Project quantum is just an advertisement about how small a dual Fiji card is. That is it. Project Quantum is a proof of concept; nothing more. How was the device introduced? First by the showing of the dual card and stating that is what is inside that. The cpu powering the item is inconsequential. The point being made was how small the dual Fiji card was and that small form factor pcs no longer have to make a compromise when it comes to discrete gpus.
Evildead666
You specifically stated "AMD had No Low TDP CPU's".
You said nothing about pushing a Fury.
Thanks for agreeing you made a wrong statement.
For the 220W AMD CPU, I agree. But AM3+ isn't dedicated to that CPU.
There are 125W/95W and lower TDP's.
Most ITX boards require low TDP CPU's. My Intel ITX System has a max of 65W TDP CPU allowed. Do you blame Intel for that ?
So, for you, No AMD CPU, then Fury isn't worth trying ? Yes, APU's are underpowered for Fury. That is prob the reason for the Intel chip in the first place 🙂
No, you stated that Zen needed a shrink. That implies it is on todays Fab process, which only an AMD insider could tell you, with the risk of losing his job. It will most probably debut, on next gen fab process.
Edit : Sorry. I'm getting waaaaaaaay too precise here. Nitpicking.
Beer time. 🙂
-Tj-
Ah so this is whole mini pc, lol I thought its some kind of futuristic dual gpu and you put that inside pcie slot 😀
No big deal if its using intel, imo gpu is the main attraction.
Dunno about you all but that 4970K is a bit low too, just 16 pcie lanes (8x per gpu) could also get a little overloaded at uber high multi monitor resolutions.
theoneofgod
Crossfire is the main attraction? Say it ain't so...
Lanes variance probably about 1FPS 😀
vbetts
Moderator
AMD has no Low TDP CPU's that you can purchase. Lowest they have is the AM1 platform, and even then for low performing tasks they still use a good amount of power.
Also,
There is still too much that an AM3+ board needs on it that would not fit on an ITX board without the use of a daughter board. I also did not mention Intel in any way shape or form.
If you are showing off a product then you want to show off everything it can do. As of right now the best cpu to push a high end video card is a high binned Intel CPU. AMD knows it, Intel knows it, the general public knows it. If AMD had better performing CPU's and better board designs on AM3+, then we would see an AMD platform and we wouldn't be having this lovely conversation.
I stated Zen needed to be smaller than current cores from AMD right now. That's all I said, no where did I say Zen would be 32nm.
