AMD Preliminary Third Quarter Results released - worrying
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sykozis
It's sort of a mixed bag. There are those that simply don't have the money to spend.... Those that are waiting for Oct 26 and the Win8 launch.... And then there are those that have abandoned AMD for Intel/nVidia or even a tablet.
AMD's CPU division is struggling.... They aren't the kings of price/performance anymore and with PC users starting to migrate from desktops/laptops to tablets... Either AMD needs to follow the trend or expect to die off.
Or half right....lol
bobdude
well hopefully they will continue to make cpu/gpu because if they stop and go out of business ill be forced to play on console's and i don't like that
Leviathan-
I doubt they go out of business but they really have to step up to Intel/Nvidia level in terms of performance.
jbmcmillan
What you hate Intel/Nvidia that much?Or is it you think the price won't be reasonable if AMD isn't around(which might happen)?
Sash
"Very simply put, lots of you guys are waiting and thus delaying the purchase of a new PC until Microsoft Windows 8 debuts"
ROFL, first off, i let me stop dieing of laughter...
OK done, well in this case, since most of us here feel about win 8 like we feel about windows me, then i am sorry for AMD.
But really now, it has nothing to do with the fact that nvidia and intel are wiping the floor with AMD in the performance department, it's because everyone is worshiping Windows 8 and really want an AMD APU in their PC to play farmville! /s - edit: ok that was mean, to watch bluray and play counter strike source or modern warfare 2
PhazeDelta1
I can't see AMD closing up shop. It wouldn't be in Intel's best interest if that were to happen.
HonoredShadow
This is not exactly true now is it. The 7 series is getting cheaper all the time and the performance is fantastic. In fact I have still been monitoring the drivers in that section and people seem to be having far less problems with AMD drivers now than I am using Nvidia.
Hate it when people tell lies just to justify the way they feel/think/purchase. Shameful.
Andrew LB
Energy consumption, heat, and noise are not fantastic though....
nVidia has sold far more cards than AMD, so its a given that there will be a higher number of people with noob problems.
Reminds me of all the BS people would say in order to justify buying bulldozer and HD7xxx. For the first time ever, the AMD fanboys couldn't use their favorite fall-back benchmark... Performance/Watt.
bobdude
yeah the prices for intel/nvidia are retarded as it is if amd closes up its gonna be all about consoles i wont like it but ill buy a console with out thinking twice thats if it comes down to that
Chillin
And that statement is bullsh!t.
AMD doesn't even appear on the radar for Intel at this point, yet have you seen any deviation in their prices for respective chips in the last 5 years? If anything, they've gotten a lot cheaper.
AMD has less than 20% of the market, and that isn't the 20% that makes a lot of money. ARM is the major competitor to Intel at this point in some ways, but its weakness is that it doesn't sell its own SOC's and thus the margins are rather small in comparison.
In short, Intel has no competition to really speak of at this point in the laptop, desktop and lower-mid server range.
Redemption80
True, Intel especially could price things higher if they wanted.
Too many people like to go on about the prices of Nvidia/Intel, but i don't own a setup with both because i have more money than sense, they were both very good value.
The 570 was picked up for less than a 6970 was going for at the time, and while i could of gotten a cheaper AMD processor, performance wise it was nowhere near the 2600k.
AMD are struggling because they no longer offer similar performance for less money.
It could well be because of W8 and consumers waiting till it's out, people on here might laugh at this suggestion, but people on here are a tiny minority of the PC market, and it's usually the same people who keep saying nonsense like the next COD will not sell, or the next Apple product will fail.
They don't live in the real world, and think it's fact just because their friends agree with them.
Sash
NO, shameful is that AMD does not do anything to recover back in the market.
Lies? LOL did you actually read the financial numbers instead of calling me a liar?
HonoredShadow
You missed the point. I was replying to what you WROTE. The PERFORMANCE is great when it comes to their graphics cards.
The lies part was NOT directed at you. Just people in general when they try to defend a company or purchase for no reason that makes sense.
Loobyluggs
If AMD pull out of the CPU market, at least the price of Intel chipsets will come down, as well as all related peripherals.
Right now you got the entire manufacturing industry divided with two standards; this leads to unhealthy competition guys.
With one standard, the demand would rise and the cost of manufacturing this one standard will drop.
Economics 101.
sykozis
How exactly is having multiple standards "unhealthy"? More "standards" means more choice.
Without AMD, Intel would have no reason to lower their prices as VIA is unable to compete with Intel directly, in any market. VIA simply doesn't have the resources.
Sash
ok then, we cool 🙂
well marketing also comes along, like nvidia uses their physx and cuda to make a game run better with their cards, they just shower the developer with money and gifts, of course you need money to do that, and AMD might struggle when it comes to that
Noisiv
Read this
Whole 2 pages, but well worth it
JohnMaclane
Intel does all its manufacturing in house so it wouldn't affect CPU prices nor chipset prices from a manufacturing point of view.
The related peripherals all use the exact same standards, as do the CPUs (x86 instructions).
sykozis
For ARM to compete in the desktop market, compatible peripherals will have to be available. Otherwise, they'll be relegated to second-class laptops.
Those 2 pages hardly explains why Intel would be inclined to lower their prices without AMD. If Intel is left as the only desktop processor option, ARM moving towards the laptop space, VIA flopping around in the embedded space (POS, ATMs, etc).... The only option in the desktop market would be Intel. For those of us that wish to maintain desktop computers, Intel would be able to charge a premium with the knowledge that the market is slowly moving away from desktops to laptops, "ultrabooks", tablets and smartphones. With school systems (as Chillin pointed out) moving towards laptops and tablets, the desktop market will begin to erode at a faster pace.
Noisiv
Oh come on... did you really read THAT?
I'll post in another thread. No point keeping both alive.
