Translation, our next top of the line single GPU card will fall somewhere between the GTX 770 and the GTX 780 in performance at a competitive price.

Could do that just by overclocking their 7970's, and renaming em to 9970's or something.

AMD gets flack no matter what it does sadly. As far as a solid business decision goes this is exactly what AMD should be doing. Chillin' and the others arguing that point are exactly right. If AMD get close to 780 performance for less + a bundle, that is what is going to sell. It's what most people seem to actually want. That and a focus on solid mid range cards. The fact is very few people give a toss about Titan beyond the tiny number of people willing to buy one and the fanboys that think it somehow makes their cheaper NV cards better.

Could do that just by overclocking their 7970's, and renaming em to 9970's or something.

Yup. Considering the current AMD line up is doing just fine against Nv, I suspect we'll get more of an improvement than some are expecting.

Could do that just by overclocking their 7970's, and renaming em to 9970's or something.

They already did that launch 7970 were 925mhz

Yep they did, so why not do it again, but this time calling it a new 9 series.

Yep they did, so why not do it again, but this time calling it a new 9 series.

Am I reading that correct you want a rebrand.

Am I reading that correct you want a rebrand.

He's being sarcastic compare the nvidia 7xx to the 6xx (aside from the 780)

is there a chart on how many pc gamers there are to say 10years ago or 5years ago id like to see if anyone knows of one

Am I reading that correct you want a rebrand.

Yeah, why not. HeavyHemi said its a new card thats inbetween the 770 and 780, so why wouldn't they just overclock their 7970 a bit more then and call it a 9 series, as that would be it, no need for the Hawaii with the GCN2, AMD have just wasted billions on that, as Tahitis already done, has been for well over a year, they could have just upped the clocks in the CCC, whacked new heatsink stickers on em (with the 9 series numbering), and had new boxes for em ran off (also with 9 series numbering), much cheaper 😀

so are you going to buy this rebrand?

Yeah, why not. HeavyHemi said its a new card thats inbetween the 770 and 780, so why wouldn't they just overclock their 7970 a bit more then and call it a 9 series, as that would be it, no need for the Hawaii with the GCN2, AMD have just wasted billions on that, as Tahitis already done, has been for well over a year, they could have just upped the clocks in the CCC, whacked new heatsink stickers on em (with the 9 series numbering), and had new boxes for em ran off (also with 9 series numbering), much cheaper 😀

I get what you are saying "nvidia just rebranded we can do the same thing wink wink". But to nvidia'a defense the only rebrand was the 770 (and that one had ith RAM chips updated) the 760 and 780 were both new combinations.

I get what you are saying "nvidia just rebranded we can do the same thing wink wink". But to nvidia'a defense the only rebrand was the 770 (and that one had ith RAM chips updated) the 760 and 780 were both new combinations.

It wasn't that, it was performance wise, as the 780 isn't much faster than the 680/7970, so all it would take is a higher clock of an already done core, to go where Heavy says, inbwetween. 🙂

Yeah, why not. HeavyHemi said its a new card thats inbetween the 770 and 780, so why wouldn't they just overclock their 7970 a bit more then and call it a 9 series, as that would be it, no need for the Hawaii with the GCN2, AMD have just wasted billions on that, as Tahitis already done, has been for well over a year, they could have just upped the clocks in the CCC, whacked new heatsink stickers on em (with the 9 series numbering), and had new boxes for em ran off (also with 9 series numbering), much cheaper 😀

Probably because they can't get those kind of clocks from a standard Tahiti yield. Maybe one or two on the whole wafer would do the ~1400 it would have to be.

I just think its pathetic by both sides tbh, 20nm can't come soon enough, as you would think performance over cards that are well over a year old, would be much greater than what it is, its crap.

What a FAIL.. Is he really proud of making a chip that is slower in performance but smaller in die a year after the competition? Next, who really cares about TressFX? (other than those few who still J**K OFF on Lara) And they are not attacking ultra enthusiasts? Who does? Does he think Nvidia makes much money of TITANs? Surely not.They just have it cause they created it a year ago and their only competition still has no means of fighting it.So why not sell it for insane price. Look at 3960X/4960X..same story. What is worst, it seems that now that they have put their APU into poor performing "next-gen"consoles they believe they can stop pushing forward as they believe that consoles will hold 3D graphics for years.And I am afraid they will.. C'mon Nvidia, we need you more then ever to come up with something that's gonna kick-ass

Progression, it's as simple as that. There is a very common misconception people have about progression in GPU's, and that's every generation is going to be so many times faster and more powerful. It's not always power, it's reproduction costs, power usage, heat output, and capabilities. Reproduction cost is how much is costs to produce a wafer of dies, as well as how well yields are for these dies, power usage and heat output are self explanatory, and capabilities are what level of direct x/open gl can the gpu do, how efficient is the core in terms of speed, and how well does it work? If you can produce a chip that is smaller, less power usage, cheaper, and better yields than the competition then that's a win right there. AMD is going a different route than Nvidia. Nvidia has the ultra enthusiast market. No question about that, so AMD is going to target a different market. AMD tried to with the HD2000 series, and it failed horribly. AMD also knows where they make their money. Nvidia makes ultra high end chips, has lower yields, say takes $500 to make a single card, and charges $1000 or so for a good gpu, and it works for them and makes their profit. Let's say they sell 3 of those, that's $1500 in profit and 3 more cards they can produce. AMD on the other hand, has gpu's with a little bit less power, takes $100 to make a single card, and then charges $200 for a card. Granted, it takes more numbers for AMD to make a profit of let's say in this case $1600 to match and be above Nvidia by only $100 since that's the closest they can get to Nvidia's pricing and numbers, they can produce 8 more cards then and repeat the process just as Nvidia does. (These are not realistic numbers either, these are just dreamed up examples. I don't know how much it costs to make a single card) Also the APU's used in the consoles from AMD are running Jaguar cores that we don't see yet, as well as a more efficient GPU being used compared to our GPU's. These systems though don't need as many resources as a PC though, so no need for all that power and cost.

It wasn't that, it was performance wise, as the 780 isn't much faster than the 680/7970, so all it would take is a higher clock of an already done core, to go where Heavy says, inbwetween. 🙂

I already said that I don't think what Heavy Hemi said is true I think it will be at or above the 780. With AMD's history the reference core clock will be very conservative. So it could beat the Titan out of the gates but probably won't.

I already said that I don't think what Heavy Hemi said is true I think it will be at or above the 780. With AMD's history the reference core clock will be very conservative. So it could beat the Titan out of the gates but probably won't.

Yeah, still going to be crap though isn't it, been a ***** year odd 🙁

Seriously...just overclock a 7970 and it can reach GTX 780 stock performance for way less money. It is all about price and power consumption now for the new gpus.

Yeah, still going to be crap though isn't it, been a ***** year odd 🙁

I agree. We won't see any real jumps in performance till 20nm.

It's not crap, I'm sure it will be a great card but AMD aren't going to bring out a Titan beater for alot less money. They aren't a charity for frustrated gamers. I'm with vbetts on this, AMD just don't want to prioritise the ultra enthusiast market any more, as they said they reserve that for the dual GPU card, all the money they have spent on these cards is probably making them smaller, more efficient and cheaper to make. The biggest problem is money, Nvidia fans seem to be a lot more willing to spend whatever they need, AMD fans expect better value which limits the risks AMD can take.

Fellows, I'm just giving my interpretation of what the AMD talking head said. It seems a reasonable inference based on his comments. I'm not trying to bash AMD. I said, I believe they are going to put out a GPU that is between the 770 and the 780 at a competitive price. I wouldn't be surprised if it end up being as efficient or even better. On the other hand, i could be full of crap too. :banana: