AMD changes its statements, Ryzen 7000 will consume up to 230W
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Aura89
Max wattage has nothing to do with efficiency.
A processor could be 1000 watts and be the most efficient processor in the world. As well, a processor could be 1 watt and be the least efficient processor ever created.
So what you are really saying is people should not have the performance and power choices and be limited to your ideal wattage max based off of your own opinion.
Again, increasing the amount of power a CPU can use does not = less efficient.
Not to say it couldn't be, it just by definition does not mean less efficient.
But as well, you have to look at it as performance vs efficiency/power useage in its performance class.
For example: If a 230 watt processor is less efficient then a 65 watt processor, but has the same performance of the previous generation 300 watt processor, it's still more efficient then what came before it, it may not be as efficient as a 65 watt processor, but it's also not trying to be as it's also not trying to hit that performance mark.
Honestly, all that this information that is being given here is stating is this:
There is now more max performance headroom then there was before and is bridging the gap between a normal desktop and HEDT, if you do not need an HEDT platform, but still would benefit from a higher performance then what was available before, now you have it.
All this does is enable options and everyone still gets to make their own decisions on what they want, what they are comfortable with, but you now have more options, and why anyone would be upset by that other then being upset to be upset is beyond me.
Venix
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schmidtbag
As I said in another thread, the problem is that without a reasonable upper limit, engineers are only incentivized to do the bare minimum to improve efficiency. They only have to be better than the competition, and preferably better than last generation. So yeah, these 7000 series CPUs most likely have better performance-per-watt than 5000, but it feels like a lazy way to outdo Intel, which as of right now is easy considering Intel's PPW is underwhelming.
It's the same sort of mentality of people who are fine with bloated software, saying "I have 64GB of RAM, I might as well use it". If software was properly optimized, you wouldn't need so much RAM in the first place, and you're just encouraging developers to be lazier.
As I said before, there's nothing wrong with having the ability to push your system way beyond 200W or even 300W if that's what you choose, but this is a bad trend happening where these companies can just change the goalposts whenever they feel like it.
There aren't necessarily more options. When a platform has such a vast range of compatibility, you have to either make everything more expensive to compensate for the high-end, or, the universality becomes undermined by making things affordable that aren't compatible with the high-end parts. It's an unnecessary complication, and is really no different than the BS happening with USB-C.
If AMD limited the TDP to 150W and the PPT to 170W, that would be fine - that would make most motherboards reasonably affordable and is easily compatible with most PSUs. High-end motherboards focused on overclocking can add VRMs and more power connectors as they please. That would be a win-win for everyone: enthusiasts get to spend extra on a very powerful system but the socket standards are reasonable where low-end motherboards remain affordable.
But really, if you want the sky to be the limit, that's what HEDT should be.
Reddoguk
I think the 8 core 16 thread CPU will be 105w and for the 16 core 32 thread will be double that.
If the chips are similar to what we have now then the 7600/7800/7900/7950 will all have different clock speeds.
They are all binned differently. The best chips/chiplets will go on to be used in the flagship CPU but that doesn't always mean they are binned for best or lowest TDP.
I think these days it's based on how high can they clock while being under control heat wise and whatever the power draw it's never really going to be an issue unless were talking about some stress test software that pins the CPU to 100% on 32 threads over some time period.
While gaming or under normal use/load i believe the power draw won't be that bad.
cucaulay malkin
the more reason to go with 5800x3d
pegasus1
The golden rule if you want people to actually read what you post.
Keep is short and punchy.
Undying
No. Why would anyone buy a 550eur old cpu so close to the release of new arch?
pegasus1
because it will fit the socket they already have and be replacing an even older CPU?
Undying
Yeah but your lacking features like pcie4 and bottlencked by memory. Like Onna bought a 5950x with his old X370 board. Makes no sense to me. B650+R5 7600x will beat it in gaming and you didnt need to spend a fortune.
Venix
What if gaming is an afterthought and you indeed put these cores to work ?
Freeman
Ok, but how do you know cost of Motherboard?
How it will work on Windows?
Will it need DDR5 only?
That 5800x3d sure is expensive, but hey, if they want and they will get it.
And it's so easy , pop in CPU and good to go instead of buy and sell.
Both choices make sense
cucaulay malkin
cause the latter will be even more expensive ?
lol,that is literally the point of platform longevity.
yeah just wait
and ddr5 on top of that
Undying
B650 - 150-180$
32gb - 6000 cl40 - 250$
Ryzen 5 7600x - 200-250$
A system that will beat any current one for gaming and is it crazy expensive? No, not really.
cucaulay malkin
how are you getting 150 for b650 and 200 for 7600x, lol, even 5600x costs more now.
and that 32g 6000 c40 kit is 285eur
those prices are made up.not factual.
Undying
Prices leak and ddr5 is getting cheaper.
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cucaulay malkin
lol
mlid
don't post this turd here
he knows exactly the same amount as you - which is nothing,he wishes these prices are true.
Undying
lol i knew that would be your reaction 😀
cucaulay malkin
that is everyone's reaction here
he knows nothing
and that 200usd for 7600x is bs
aufkrawall2
Because he's a sh*t spreader, e.g. he said DLSS would be causing input lag etc. He knows nothing and should just stfu.
cucaulay malkin
fact is,that 6000 c40 kit costs over 150eur for a 2x8 kit
put it on alder lake against my 4133 c16 kit and it'll show little or no improvement because of 1:2 mode.
and that's 150eur saved for just not having to upgrade to ddr5.
150eur you can bank or just get a better cpu.
I'm all in favor of faster memory,this was the way to go for ddr4 - instead of overclocking the cpu,get faster ram.
but ddr5 just doesn't justify that.it's going to be cheaper and more effective just to buy a higher sku.
that price difference is more than 12600 to 12700F will cost you.
