I buy whatever gives top fps I had both Intel/AMD cpus (currently both) and AMD/Nvidia gpus (mostly nvidia)

my "overclocked" (only maxed the allowed % nothing else) 1080Ti is 300+Watts already, it's great if new cards are same or better for more fps https://i.ibb.co/k5gc2GM/Kombustor1080-Ti-Wattage.jpg

Undying:

Lisa said they will compete with nvidia at high end with rdna2. I really do hope they pull out a ryzen in their gpu segment.

I agree the last time AMD competed at that level was maybe the R9 290x vs the 780.

Fender178:

I agree the last time AMD competed at that level was maybe the R9 290x vs the 780.

Actually it was 1080 vs Vega64 so 3 years ago after that its all midrange.

Guys this is what I have been talking about in other threads. AMD are going to do to Nvidia what they did to Intel using the same techniques they have now mastered from Ryzen at a much more affordable price. AMD was in the mud in the CPU market for years ever since Intel released "conroe" with the first Core 2 series they have been playing catch up. They had no choice but to come out swinging with first gen Ryzen and sold the 1800X for $499 compared to Intel's 6900K at $1000. If AMD was always competitive during those years of defeat then I bet AMD would of charged A LOT more for the 1800X and the newer models too. Now in the GPU market AMD hasn't been truly competitive since first gen GCN with the 7970GHz, sure they took the crown with the 290X but at what cost? Their brand was dragged through the mud and they were seen as the "hot" chip (the 95C hot). Ever since then they have been seen as the cheap brand, the mid tier brand. Coming out now and charging Nvidia prices for their cards wouldn't make sense from an image/brand point of view. They need to win back trust as for many moving GPU makers for many is nearly as big as moving to a new OS. You have different IQ, different UI, you have to give up features and adopt new ones. Releasing a super fast GPU for half the price of the competition for MANY people is too good to pass up on and goes a long way into convincing people to make that switch. Just like with Ryzen, they gave us everything we wanted and have been asking for for years but at a cost people couldn't pass up on. Leading to a better brand, better public image, and regaining market share. Either way you look at it, if Nvidia is scared then we are in for a fantastic time as consumers as both companies seem to in fighting mode!

Sylencer:

Im down for both, i'd buy amd or nvidia. Whoever releases first, i'll hit it. Im growing sick of my 2080 which barely handles RDR2 at decent tweaked settings but not as high as i would like.

Really? That game must be one hell of a bad port then.

CPC_RedDawn:

Coming out now and charging Nvidia prices for their cards wouldn't make sense from an image/brand point of view. They need to win back trust as for many moving GPU makers for many is nearly as big as moving to a new OS. You have different IQ, different UI, you have to give up features and adopt new ones. Releasing a super fast GPU for half the price of the competition for MANY people is too good to pass up on and goes a long way into convincing people to make that switch. Just like with Ryzen, they gave us everything we wanted and have been asking for for years but at a cost people couldn't pass up on. Leading to a better brand, better public image, and regaining market share.

Bit like when you look at 5600XT for 1080p, no way I would pay the same for a 1660S or way more for Nvidia's other offers, same with the 5700XT for 1440p, on the other hand there is also the odd 5500XT which is not worth it's price. So if AMD can pull it off on all levels with Navi2 they are more than welcome, I guess most won't buy anything high end upon release to see if there are issues, except for the fanboys who just buy their favorite color.

Undying:

Actually it was 1080 vs Vega64 so 3 years ago after that its all midrange.

Oh ok. I forgot that Vega64 gave the 1080 a run for its money.

Mineria:

Bit like when you look at 5600XT for 1080p, no way I would pay the same for a 1660S or way more for Nvidia's other offers, same with the 5700XT for 1440p. So if AMD can pull it off on all levels with Navi2 they are more than welcome, I guess most won't buy anything high end upon release to see if there are issues, except for the fanboys who just buy their favorite color.

With me the reason why I purchase Nvidia is because of how solid their drivers are. AMD has had problems with their drivers in the past. I know that there have been alot of bug fixes with AMD drivers. My cousin with his I think it was an rx580 and he was getting flickering issues with some games and when he replaced it with a 1660 the issues went away. AMD needs to continue improving their drivers as well.

I have been expecting around 40% myself for the high end halo product but it is going to be around 2080 Ti price. When I did the napkin math on the rumored 505mm2 die size I came up with 96CU's but using prior generations AMD would disable 4CU's per repeatable block that consisted of memory controller and 24CU's each so four disabled times four blocks comes in at 16 disabled CU so 80CU's in total. At 80 CU's this will make a great high end gaming card but the true extremely high cost halo product would be the full 96CU's or very close like 92CU's. Of course nobody is saying this other than me and my napkin math so believe what you want but this is what I am expecting to see.

All this talk about how powerful is going to be is very cute but it doesn´t matter if they can´t release the damn thing!

H83:

All this talk about how powerful is going to be is very cute but it doesn´t matter if they can´t release the damn thing!

Why would they not release it? I cant imagine AMD would make the GPU then not release it so this strikes as a very odd comment.

JamesSneed:

Why would they not release it? I cant imagine AMD would make the GPU then not release it so this strikes as a very odd comment.

It just means that they are taking a lot of time to release it. And by the time they finally release it Nvidia will do the same, losing any possible advantage of releasing it first.

H83:

It just means that they are taking a lot of time to release it. And by the time they finally release it Nvidia will do the same, losing any possible advantage of releasing it first.

You made it sound like never 🙂 I see. Frankly if they release this fall its not a lot of time and is very in line with a 18 month cycle we all expect. Its been almost exactly one year since the 5700XT.

I havent been following the Gpu market as of late but I remember the days when Amd use to be neck and neck with Nvidia in the High end! Radeon 7970 Ghz edition (fantastic card) R9 290 & X Model! Bad-ass cards! Run little hot but who cares! R9 295 X 2- Dual gpu Monster of a video card! Use to love reading the reviews and watch amd and nvidia battle for top spot or Fps war lol! Lets get the duel gpu cards back and fix sli/Crossfire amd/Nvidia.

JamesSneed:

I have been expecting around 40% myself for the high end halo product but it is going to be around 2080 Ti price. When I did the napkin math on the rumored 505mm2 die size I came up with 96CU's but using prior generations AMD would disable 4CU's per repeatable block that consisted of memory controller and 24CU's each so four disabled times four blocks comes in at 16 disabled CU so 80CU's in total. At 80 CU's this will make a great high end gaming card but the true extremely high cost halo product would be the full 96CU's or very close like 92CU's. Of course nobody is saying this other than me and my napkin math so believe what you want but this is what I am expecting to see.

I doubt they will charge 2080Ti prices, if they do they are fools to think people would buy it. Like I've said before AMD now has a solid CPU lineup, the popularity has grown, the market share is through the roof. But that is only on the CPU front. If they want true growth in the GPU market as well they need to price aggressively just like they did with Ryzen. Nvidia's brand is far too strong for AMD to be charging the same prices, much like Intel's brand was strong with the enthusiast PC gamer. But with giving people what they asked for and charging an affordable price for it they made switching over that much more enticing. The same needs to be done with GPU's. Google "what is a halo product" Top answer: "The halo effect is a term for a consumer's favoritism toward a line of products due to positive experiences with other products by this maker. The halo effect is correlated to brand strength, brand loyalty, and contributes to brand equity." They are never going to achieve brand, strength, loyalty, and equity if they go ahead and charge Nvidia prices. This isn't saying that they won't or couldn't charge Nvidia prices once they have firmly achieved this goal.

H83:

All this talk about how powerful is going to be is very cute but it doesn´t matter if they can´t release the damn thing!

Why would they release it now? Nvidia are gearing up to show their hand, and whoever goes first needs to firmly know they are in the lead or risk being made a fool of. It's just a matter of time to whomever chooses to go first. If anything Nvidia will probably go first as they already have the stronger brand and people are more likely going want to stay on team green. This is HOPEFULLY where AMD swoop in and make people think twice with this "halo product".

nz3777:

I havent been following the Gpu market as of late but I remember the days when Amd use to be neck and neck with Nvidia in the High end! Radeon 7970 Ghz edition (fantastic card) R9 290 & X Model! Bad-ass cards! Run little hot but who cares! R9 295 X 2- Dual gpu Monster of a video card! Use to love reading the reviews and watch amd and nvidia battle for top spot or Fps war lol! Lets get the duel gpu cards back and fix sli/Crossfire amd/Nvidia.

The GPU wars of old were the best times, 7970GHz was an insanely good card I had one for near 4-5 years and it never let me down. I don't think either are ever going to fix sli/crossfire. Too much work is needed to be done in game development in order to make it work properly. If the story is true it seems as if AMD has found a way to connect 2 GPU dies together with infinity fabric much like they have used with Ryzen. So whilst everyone is looking at a this monster die size what is really is (or could be) is 2 smaller dies with some new form of interal crossfire technology that allows the 2 dies to act and perform as one GPU. This is the same technology that allowed AMD to make much smaller CPU dies, get much higher yields per wafer, push core/thread counts higher, and therefore allow them to charge less for the end product. The only difference now is that they have more experience with it, the node is much more mature and if it is infinity fabric and it uses the same methods as on the CPU side with it being tied to half of RAM speeds in a 1:1 ratio then with it being tied to GDDR6 the latency should in theory be extremely minimal.

CPC_RedDawn:

I doubt they will charge 2080Ti prices, if they do they are fools to think people would buy it. Like I've said before AMD now has a solid CPU lineup, the popularity has grown, the market share is through the roof. But that is only on the CPU front. If they want true growth in the GPU market as well they need to price aggressively just like they did with Ryzen. Nvidia's brand is far too strong for AMD to be charging the same prices, much like Intel's brand was strong with the enthusiast PC gamer. But with giving people what they asked for and charging an affordable price for it they made switching over that much more enticing. The same needs to be done with GPU's. Google "what is a halo product" Top answer: "The halo effect is a term for a consumer's favoritism toward a line of products due to positive experiences with other products by this maker. The halo effect is correlated to brand strength, brand loyalty, and contributes to brand equity." They are never going to achieve brand, strength, loyalty, and equity if they go ahead and charge Nvidia prices. This isn't saying that they won't or couldn't charge Nvidia prices once they have firmly achieved this goal. Why would they release it now? Nvidia are gearing up to show their hand, and whoever goes first needs to firmly know they are in the lead or risk being made a fool of. It's just a matter of time to whomever chooses to go first. If anything Nvidia will probably go first as they already have the stronger brand and people are more likely going want to stay on team green. This is HOPEFULLY where AMD swoop in and make people think twice with this "halo product".

I promise you the halo product will be very expensive if AMD does one. If AMD are smart they will charge 2080 TI prices because they don't want to sell very many 100% full die chips just like Nvidia doesn't want to do that either. The next step down is where they have to get pricing right because frankly hardly anyone buys 2080 TI level GPU's its everything underneath that is 99% of all sales for Nvidia and the same will hold true for AMD if they do a halo product. The trick has always been to have said halo product in all the review charts. Its a great marketing effect having the top card even if less than 1% of people would ever own one due to the extremely high costs.

Fender178:

With me the reason why I purchase Nvidia is because of how solid their drivers are. AMD has had problems with their drivers in the past. I know that there have been alot of bug fixes with AMD drivers. My cousin with his I think it was an rx580 and he was getting flickering issues with some games and when he replaced it with a 1660 the issues went away. AMD needs to continue improving their drivers as well.

I went for the fastest card I could afford, nothing AMD up there. AMD is improving on their drivers as you can see in Hilbert's latest game review, but Nvidia drivers aren't without issues either, especially when it comes to compatibility, apart from that it sounds more like that RX580 had an issue. Only had a 5870 myself in the past, it worked well, the other AMD GPU I tried later on got returned to retailer. So I wouldn't let drivers scare me from getting one, can always return the card if it sucks.

Just remember guys, when AMD went premium back in 2015, they've always been more expensive than Nvidia (well, here in the UK they have 😛)

Rich_Guy:

Just remember guys, when AMD went premium back in 2015, they've always been more expensive than Nvidia (well, in the UK they have 😛)

You need to take these things in context though. AMD was expensive in 2015 because the only way it could compete was with HBM - which significantly added to the cost of their GPU. I personally don't think RDNA2 will be MCM but the gist of the rumor is that it will utilize some kind of cluster setup that could be MCM, which would obviously significantly cut the cost of manufacturing down. That's on top of not really needing HBM to be competitive anymore. Would a theoretical premium, "Halo" AMD product be as expensive or more expensive than Nvidia? Sure. But in 2015 it had to be, in 2020 it doesn't have to be. AMD has a choice now and if they want to repeat the wins they've had on the CPU side with GPUs - then it needs disruptive price/performance.