CES: AMD announces Radeon VII (Vega at 7nm)

Denial

2019-01-09 19:29

warlord:

You know nothing about technology. Stop it here. It is not enjoyable to make a game drop to its knees. When Nvidia goes 7nm, I will gladly support them. It wasn't the proper time for RT, like when ATI introduced DX11 tessellation for the first time with HD 5000 series, same mistakes.

Who cares, they aren't trading performance for RT - so it's not like lack of RT would yield some super chip.

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MonstroMart

2019-01-09 19:29

warlord:

You know nothing about technology. Stop it here. It is not enjoyable to make a game drop to its knees. When Nvidia goes 7nm, I will gladly support them. It wasn't the proper time for RT, like when ATI introduced DX11 tessellation for the first time with HD 5000 series, same mistakes.

Wait HD 5k had tesselation? I had a 5850 (last AMD card i bought) and i did not even know it supported it lol

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Witcher29

2019-01-09 19:29

Undying:

Vega at 1800mhz (imagine 2ghz) would be very strong. That 16GB HBM2 looks sweet.

Fast indeed but stable as well ? also i am curious how high these temperatures are going to be while the gpu is @ full load.

#5625389

warlord

2019-01-09 19:32

I feel devastated. JHH is already laughing badly. AMD needed 7nm at 699$ in 2019 to surpass 1080ti.

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circeseye

2019-01-09 19:34

radeon 7 feb 7th for 699....16gig hbm2 i really hope they are coming out with cards with less ram..thats what is making it so high in price

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scatman839

2019-01-09 19:44

shadow of tomb raider uses nearly 8gb vram at 4k https://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/software/shadow_of_the_tomb_raider_pc_performance_review/13 i'd say i'd prefer 16gb vram for future games at4k over 8gb and rtx and running a game at lower resolution

#5625408

tunejunky

2019-01-09 19:48

hey guys chill with the hate. there will be a 1440p card late march early april and it will blow away the rtx 2070 for less $. and btw i own Nvidia (until i buy a Radeon VII) and will keep Nvidia in some of my systems.

#5625409

vbetts

Moderator

2019-01-09 19:48

So the average framerate for Forza Horizon 4 on 1080p ultra on the Radeon VII was between 110-120. https://www.techspot.com/review/1716-forza-horizon-4-gpu-benchmarks/ What does this say then about it considering these benchmarks? Now to be fair, we don't know the full settings used in the demo today. Also on Discord someone pointed out how awfully closely related the RVII looks to the Radeon Instinct Accelerator. https://www.amd.com/en/products/professional-graphics/instinct-mi50

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nizzen

2019-01-09 19:50

scatman839:

shadow of tomb raider uses nearly 8gb vram at 4k https://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/software/shadow_of_the_tomb_raider_pc_performance_review/13 i'd say i'd prefer 16gb vram for future games at4k over 8gb and rtx and running a game at lower resolution

Some games uses "all" vram available. That doesn't mean that it need to use all. It's caching. 1060 6GB is not vram bound @ the same resolution i tombraider 😉

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Denial

2019-01-09 19:53

vbetts:

Also on Discord someone pointed out how awfully closely related the RVII looks to the Radeon Instinct Accelerator. https://www.amd.com/en/products/professional-graphics/instinct-mi50

Yeah it's obviously the same chip - it's just a cut down MI60 overclocked

#5625419

warlord

2019-01-09 19:56

That VII also means Vega 2, that is the day's important news people. Not only Radeon VII(7)nm. If they do not launch something important soon, nobody will stop Nvidia from releasing an RTX 3080ti, 35% faster than 2080ti at 1999$. We are gonna die trying buying hardware before play.

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scatman839

2019-01-09 19:59

nizzen:

Some games uses "all" vram available. That doesn't mean that it need to use all. It's caching. 1060 6GB is not vram bound @ the same resolution i tombraider 😉

I guess but if you wanted something like this to perhaps last a while this could be a point, who knows how much vram Next Big Game needs bf5 uses 6gb per overclock3d at 4k

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GlennB

2019-01-09 20:08

Denial:

Who cares, they aren't trading performance for RT - so it's not like lack of RT would yield some super chip.

It makes the chip bigger thus more expensive to make while also taking up room that could have been taken up cuda cores. We are still at least 2-3 generations away from having RT combined with decent frame rates.

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Denial

2019-01-09 20:12

GlennB:

It makes the chip bigger thus more expensive to make while also taking up room that could have been taken up cuda cores. We are still at least 2-3 generations away from having RT combined with decent frame rates.

We've been over this. RT cores don't make the chip bigger - they are extremely small - in fact I'm not even convinced they are a discreet core and not just manifested marketing of improvements to the ALUs. Turing has roughly the same CUDA count per MM2 as GP100 yet features twice the cache size on essentially the same density (7.5T TSMC Cell Library). Best case scenario for you're argument is that they end up with a Titan V which has 16% more CUDA cores than a 2080Ti yet has zero performance improvement because of TDP limitation. Removing RT would have done absolutely nothing.

#5625440

tunejunky

2019-01-09 20:21

1) AMD has been working on Ray Tracing just as long as Nvidia 2) Ray Tracing is Microsoft, not Nvidia 3) all AMD cards are natively heavy on compute...which is why crypto loves them. RT is a driver fix for AMD (but i suspect will take a similar performance hit as RTX cards). 4) DLSS is Nvidia, but eventually AMD will have an equivalent as it makes too much sense and as Google is partnering with them on streaming it will happen because a stream would benefit the most.

#5625441

SpajdrEX

2019-01-09 20:24

will wait for 8GB VRAM version.

#5625442

MonstroMart

2019-01-09 20:26

warlord:

That VII also means Vega 2, that is the day's important news people. Not only Radeon VII(7)nm. If they do not launch something important soon, nobody will stop Nvidia from releasing an RTX 3080ti, 35% faster than 2080ti at 1999$. We are gonna die trying buying hardware before play.

Just 1999$? Sounds like a bargain 😉

#5625443

schmidtbag

2019-01-09 20:27

HWgeek:

Pay Attention to the moment when the DEVISION 2 dev talks about "Will support All the new Technologies of" and Lisa stop's Him! I think she was making sure he will not spell the secret - I think AMD is preparing their own RayTracing!

Or, she cut him off realizing "oh wait, not all new technologies will be supported - let's not be held liable for such a claim".

Witcher29:

Its then its just an overclocked vega with no new features, thats pretty sad if u ask me.

What new features were you expecting that are actually of any real interest? Raytracing is the only especially exciting new feature to expect and despite how much Nvidia wants to push for it, not too many people seem to be showing any much interest in it.

warlord:

I feel devastated. JHH is already laughing badly. AMD needed 7nm at 699$ in 2019 to surpass 1080ti.

Or, to be less pessimistic, the 2080.

#5625450

tunejunky

2019-01-09 20:31

hey guys you're running wild. Radeon VII is important. whether or not you were expecting the Second Coming is something else. i've had my hands on one, i've looked at the PCB, and i've gamed on one. it is better than my 1080ti, better than a 2080, and on at least one game better than a 2080ti (AMD optimized game). all for $130 less than the 2080 and you don't need a g-sync monitor. that's the news.

#5625454

kings

2019-01-09 20:35

So, an AMD competitor card for 1080Ti, 2 years later, for $700. On the green side, we have RTX at insane prices also. Sad sad times on the GPU market, absolutely depressing. Im glad I bought a PS4 Pro last year...