HardwareCaps:

I bet we won't see consumer GPUs from AMD for quite some time. mark my words.

HardwareCaps:

I bet we won't see consumer GPUs from AMD for quite some time. mark my words.

DeskStar:

And that is going to be bad for consumers as Nvidia will just keep hammering down on them BS hardware advancements in order to keep taking that money. AMD needs to do something in the GPU market sooner than later.... Something to help these sorry pricing schemes.

screwtech02:

Intel will have a new desktop card out before AMD does. Callin it now...

screwtech02:

Intel will have a new desktop card out before AMD does. Callin it now...

DeskStar:

And that is going to be bad for consumers as Nvidia will just keep hammering down on them BS hardware advancements in order to keep taking that money. AMD needs to do something in the GPU market sooner than later.... Something to help these sorry pricing schemes.

HardwareCaps:

AMD sees that Ryzen is bringing them cash, it knows they can profit from enterprise GPUs but consumer? na

HardwareCaps:

I bet we won't see consumer GPUs from AMD for quite some time. mark my words.

schmidtbag:

You say that as though they won't and never will profit from consumer GPUs...

HardwareCaps:

Exactly, as long as they can't compete

schmidtbag:

That seems a bit naive... besides, are you not aware of Navi? Before you say "it probably won't compete with the 2080[Ti]", I understand people here are enthusiasts and expect the best, but the general mentality around here seems to be "if an architecture doesn't offer #080Ti performance, it isn't worth anyone's interest" which is ridiculous. Not everybody needs or cares about something that high-end, especially considering price point. I still have a R9 290 and so far it handles just about everything I throw at it at 1080p (granted, I might need to turn off AA). Most people aren't gaming at 2K+, so even if Navi isn't competitive with the 2080, it would be stupid of them to not release anything at all. EDIT: As long as the performance-per- and performance-per-watt are competitive with Nvidia, the maximum potential performance isn't that important. Sure, if the 2080Ti ends up being undefeated, the price of it will be crazy expensive, but it is plenty evident people are willing to pay for that extra performance.

HardwareCaps:

Navi is a marketing name, nothing more. Just like Nvidia used "Volta" is the next big thing and it didn't even get to consumer graphics. Navi was first seen as 2018 product:

AMD is now focusing on profiting markets which are datacenters/enterprise(EPYC 2, AMD PRO GPUs), AI compute, CPU market with ryzen as it proven itself and consoles. only after all these are done which should be late into 2019 we might see some consumer GPUs and even AMD says so with their roadmap. we know 7nm Vega is for AI, so 7nm Navi? late 2019 my guess.

schmidtbag:

Doesn't matter what it is - you're the one saying we won't be seeing consumer products any time soon, and yet Navi is supposed to be released in early to mid 2019. I understand that feels like a long way away, but it isn't that far. Also, Volta was more than just a marketing name. The tensor cores were a pretty big deal. Yes, and if you haven't noticed, consumer-level hardware tends to just be cut-down versions of enterprise hardware, usually released within the same year. It wouldn't surprise me if Navi is derived from the changes made in Vega 20, rather than Vega 10 (which the current-gen hardware is based on). Supposing late 2019 is the reality of Navi's release date, that's still not as far away as you're making it out to be. The point is, there is new hardware around the corner. That doesn't mean we should be keeping our hopes up that it'll defeat the 2080Ti, but to act like there is nothing [worth of interest] coming up soon just simply isn't true.

schmidtbag:

Doesn't matter what it is - you're the one saying we won't be seeing consumer products any time soon, and yet Navi is supposed to be released in early to mid 2019. I understand that feels like a long way away, but it isn't that far. Also, Volta was more than just a marketing name. The tensor cores were a pretty big deal. Yes, and if you haven't noticed, consumer-level hardware tends to just be cut-down versions of enterprise hardware, usually released within the same year. It wouldn't surprise me if Navi is derived from the changes made in Vega 20, rather than Vega 10 (which the current-gen hardware is based on). Supposing late 2019 is the reality of Navi's release date, that's still not as far away as you're making it out to be. The point is, there is new hardware around the corner. That doesn't mean we should be keeping our hopes up that it'll defeat the 2080Ti, but to act like there is nothing [worth of interest] coming up soon just simply isn't true.

HardwareCaps:

early 2019? where did you get that date from? first comes 7nm Vega jeez you can't even follow roadmaps.... AI compute is VERY different from graphics(though Nvidia is trying to make them one as they invest heavily in both) if AMD is going for 7nm AI gpu it is gonna be very different from consumer grade card.

let me show you reality: 1. Vega failed, while Nvidia focused on maximizing GDDR tech, AMD went for HBM which turned out to be too expensive and too hard to mass-produce 2. Raja which basically was behind the whole graphics division(RTG) of AMD left, meaning AMD needs to re-establish its own graphics division 3. AMD stated they are focusing AI tech FIRST. 4. AMD has its hands full with Ryzen, its not a massive company like Intel that can do multiple big projects at the same time.

We are going something maybe in late 2019 not before. a long time from now.

schmidtbag:

As you yourself have pointed JUST out, roadmaps aren't strictly followed. Anyway rather than question me, do the research yourself: https://www.google.com/search?q=navi+release+date&safe=off&source=lnt&tbs=qdr:m&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj5lIK19I_dAhUyc98KHfDcB98QpwUIHw&biw=1567&bih=807 Many articles within the past month are saying somewhere between Q1 2019 to mid 2019. It's very possible it'll get delayed to late 2019 (I wouldn't be surprised) but that still makes your point moot. As for AI, I'm well aware it's different. But unlike Nvidia, AMD tends to make their cores general-purpose. This is why Vega 10 wasn't so impressive - it performed great in compute tasks but not so great in gaming. Unless Navi ends up being more similar to the PS5 GPU rather than Vega 20, I wouldn't be surprised if it too will have better compute performance than gaming performance. How does any of that have anything to do with what we're talking about here? In your opinion.