AMD Announces new Ryzen 3000 XT Series Processors and availability of B550 motherboards

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#5800105
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Wow, those CPUs are worse than I though. What is even the point of releasing such a similar product? That's literally 100mhz more on boost clocks (aside from 200mhz on the 3800xt) and no change to base. The old models will plummet in price and will obviously be a better bang for the buck. Don't really understand why AMD is doing this. EDIT: I guess there's a little bit more cache in these too, but still. Wouldn't that make their yields worse due to different chip designs?
#5800111
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Disappointing base clocks. I think this node and design is totally tapped out. Where Zen 3 at?
#5800113
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Yeah i think this is too much. It's like a joke. They already covered a lot of stages For example: The 3700X and 3800X are very close (despite the thermal PPT limit of 88W vs 142W).
#5800114
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$400 USD for a 3800 XT? Not only are AMD turning Intel, it seems they think they are Intel. 🙄
#5800115
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Neo Cyrus:

$400 USD for a 3800 XT? Not only are AMD turning Intel, it seems they think they are Intel. 🙄
I mean is the same base price of the 3800X at launch. Same cpu, more boost, same price. What is the problem with you guys? the 3800X price is still 399, without considering whatever price you find it or you want to pay it. Same for the 3600x and the 3900x
#5800116
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Pffff.... what a lame "refresh". These prices won't hold for a single month.
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asturur:

I mean is the same base price of the 3800X at launch. Same cpu, more boost, same price. What is the problem with you guys? the 3800X price is still 399, without considering whatever price you find it or you want to pay it. Same for the 3600x and the 3900x
The increase is nice, but the loss of the cooler is not. The fact of not having to buy a cooler is more valuable that 100mhz boost, unless something else is changing here.
#5800121
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asturur:

I mean is the same base price of the 3800X at launch. Same cpu, more boost, same price. What is the problem with you guys? the 3800X price is still 399, without considering whatever price you find it or you want to pay it. Same for the 3600x and the 3900x
The problem is they're not that much now, they were mocked at launch and no one bought them when the same chip with a different name was available for way less, and they don't include a cooler anymore. Amazon's search is being weird right now, but the point is the 3800X is nowhere near $400 anymore and it still doesn't make sense to buy vs a 3700X. Might as well spend $17 more at Amazon and get 50% more cores and a cooler - https://www.amazon.com/AMD-Ryzen-3900X-24-Thread-Processor/dp/B07SXMZLP9/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=3900X&qid=1592316087&sr=8-1 Or $125 less and get almost the same chip - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07SXMZLPK?tag=pcpapi-20&linkCode=ogi&th=1&psc=1 There, editing done, I think.
#5800122
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Usually I always look at the non X models, would be hard for me to purchase an X or even XT. But I'm happy they slid these in at the same price of the old X: that means the old ones will come down. I'll jump Zen 2 completely and go Zen 3, my 2600 is working fine so far: I'll need GPU first before changing this beast. Thank you AMD!
#5800123
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Wow, a 100 to 200 MHz boost, which will provide a 1% to 2% performance difference under a very narrow range of circumstances, and no difference whatsoever in most scenarios, and for that, you need a water cooler? Really??? My 3700x is looking like a wiser decision on my part with every passing day.
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Ricardo:

Wow, those CPUs are worse than I though. What is even the point of releasing such a similar product? That's literally 100mhz more on boost clocks (aside from 200mhz on the 3800xt) and no change to base. The old models will plummet in price and will obviously be a better bang for the buck. Don't really understand why AMD is doing this. EDIT: I guess there's a little bit more cache in these too, but still. Wouldn't that make their yields worse due to different chip designs?
They have same cache as older parts. Cache in table is L1+L2+L3 Only reasons for those parts is to make more money on high binned silicon, give us something to talk about AMD instead Intel and to reset price level so Zen3 can start on higher level when launched in in winter. If i will build my PC today instead of 3800XT i will buy 3900X for almost same price. that 100MHz single core bump is not worth money but 4 cores more are
#5800160
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It will be interesting to see if the older parts drop even more in price on the actual market. MSRP is pretty much meaningless at this point in time, considering that 3900X can be had for close to $420 https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-9-3900x/p/N82E16819113103 (with occasional sale price under that), and 3700X-3800X have been under $300 for a long time already. Same goes for 3600/3600X, which are WAY WAY under their MSRP, example: https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-5-3600/p/N82E16819113569 ( $167 ) I've seen even lower price on smaller retailers both in US and Europe. Example, 3700X in Eu: https://geizhals.eu/amd-ryzen-7-3700x-100-100000071box-a2064553.html €285 Why would anyone in their right mind pay $399 for 3800XT, just for that tiny boost that happens once in a blue moon !? Makes no sense whatsoever. It's almost like AMD didn't bother to check the world market at all when preparing this announcement.
#5800177
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Makes no sense to buy these
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tty8k:

If 10700k matches the price of 3800xt I can see a loser here already
If the 10700k lower price to match 3800xt, you have just winners.
#5800219
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These XT are exactly the same recommended price as their X counterparts, same Watts, but with a bit of a MHz bump, so I don't know why everyone is whining about it. What real prices will be, we'll see.
#5800223
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heffeque:

These XT are exactly the same recommended price
... which has not been the market price for a long, long time. You can't just sell at the same 2019 prices one year later, when the last year's product is 100 $ / € cheaper !
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The 3900X for example was still selling at 500, then sure, fine, give a refresh also at 500, but when the market is 20% lower for months and months, advertising this "new" stuff at last year's price is just pathetic. I paid € 350 on my 3700X at launch last year and happy with it. Would I still pay the same today ? HELL NO. p.s. NVidia actually brought performance uplifts in their "Super" line, and better prices too... unlike this XT CPU line which is simply rubbish at MRSP. They should have been: $199 for 3600XT $299 for 3800XT $449 for 3900XT ... and drop their predecessors under that level (to what the market actually is today)
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wavetrex:

... which has not been the market price for a long, long time. You can't just sell at the same 2019 prices one year later, when the last year's product is 100 $ / € cheaper !
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The 3900X for example was still selling at 500, then sure, fine, give a refresh also at 500, but when the market is 20% lower for months and months, advertising this "new" stuff at last year's price is just pathetic. I paid € 350 on my 3700X at launch last year and happy with it. Would I still pay the same today ? HELL NO. p.s. NVidia actually brought performance uplifts in their "Super" line, and better prices too... unlike this XT CPU line which is simply rubbish at MRSP. They should have been: $199 for 3600XT $299 for 3800XT $449 for 3900XT ... and drop their predecessors under that level (to what the market actually is today)
Why do you think the exact same thing will not happen with the XT series? The price of the X line hasn't changed, yet clearly the actual price AMD sells it to resellers has, otherwise you couldn't get 3900X for $409. It is the same with every single launch, they'll start at MSRP, soak up customers who can't wait, then gradually drop in price until they find their sweet spot in the market. In a month or two you'll see the XT's start dropping below their MSRP, and by the time the 4000 series launches and the X series inventory has cleared out they'll be at similar retail price points as the X series is now.
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genie:

Why do you think the exact same thing will not happen with the XT series? The price of the X line hasn't changed, yet clearly the actual price AMD sells it to resellers has, otherwise you couldn't get 3900X for $409. It is the same with every single launch, they'll start at MSRP, soak up customers who can't wait, then gradually drop in price until they find their sweet spot in the market. In a month or two you'll see the XT's start dropping below their MSRP, and by the time the 4000 series launches and the X series inventory has cleared out they'll be at similar retail price points as the X series is now.
Because everyone likes to play expert in: - go to market strategy - cpu design - motherboard design - power consumptions And apparently everyone is always ready to move to the next build if it wasn't that reality is crushing that price/performance ratio that was build in their head.
#5800306
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wavetrex:

... which has not been the market price for a long, long time. You can't just sell at the same 2019 prices one year later, when the last year's product is 100 $ / € cheaper !
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The 3900X for example was still selling at 500, then sure, fine, give a refresh also at 500, but when the market is 20% lower for months and months, advertising this "new" stuff at last year's price is just pathetic. I paid € 350 on my 3700X at launch last year and happy with it. Would I still pay the same today ? HELL NO. p.s. NVidia actually brought performance uplifts in their "Super" line, and better prices too... unlike this XT CPU line which is simply rubbish at MRSP. They should have been: $199 for 3600XT $299 for 3800XT $449 for 3900XT ... and drop their predecessors under that level (to what the market actually is today)
How does your comment contradict mine? As @genie says, XT pricing evolution will be no different than X's. Zen 3 is delayed, yes, but that doesn't make XT special in any way.
#5800314
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It doesn't, I wasn't talking to you specifically, but to whoever at AMD thought that it's a good idea to release the same products at the same prices they had 12 months back, when the market clearly evolved beyond that price point. But indeed, after the abysmal sales they will have on these new parts they will be forced to reduce them more in line to what I suggested.

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