The one thing i'm shocked about is they must of known that the X3D technology is a very strong gaming performer so why not put it on all 7000 series chips? Makes no sense to me why they didn't just go for the same tech again first and then maybe down the line just the normal chips. Of course 7000 series isn't gonna sell that well when people need a whole new system to jump to AM5.

H83:

I was interested in upgrading but when i saw that 7700x costs almost 500€, the MBs start at 300€ and some budget DDR5 RAM costs more than 200€, i suddenly lost my will to upgrade... And Intel CPUs are even more expensive!...

Same - I'm waiting for the release of the 7700 non-X, the 13600, and 13500. With practically self-overclocking chips and boost clocks being way higher than I'll ever need for gaming purposes, I'm fine with a "low-end" CPU with 16-20 threads. Both AMD and Intel are pushing their chips way beyond their "efficiency sweet spots" and since I'm only looking for 4K@60FPS, I don't need any of that. Intel has been a lot more reasonable lately about i5 prices so if AMD doesn't fix their pricing, I'm going with an i5. But honestly... I'd really rather be upgrading my GPU before my CPU. But prices for those suck too. I have the money to do a $2000+ system upgrade right now but I can't justify the price.

Sadly, we're still some ways away from the peak crazy prices of the QX9775 days. Remember the QX9755? It was $1499.

The Goose:

Providing games make use of the cache, the division 2 does not benefit so I`ll stick with my 5800x and Msi 3080 SuprimX for the next year or so.

Zen4X3D probably will overcome the shortcomings of the current 5800X3D, then it will be very interesting to see the performance gain. AMD might do a mid-cycle refresh to regain MT performance, with some variation of Zen4c, maybe. Doesn't matter intel or AMD, the whole market in on a decline for the nearby future.

I can take the CPU costs, but combined with RAM and motherboard it's just too much. Not that I'd even notice the difference at this point but..

It Seems that Intel 13900k will be priced right between 7900X and 7950X. If it beats 7950X with the same 32 thread count, in most benchmarks. Then AMD has to reduce prices, to stay competive.

Bo Alenkaer:

It Seems that Intel 13900k will be priced right between 7900X and 7950X. If it beats 7950X with the same 32 thread count, in most benchmarks. Then AMD has to reduce prices, to stay competive.

Are we reading a different news article?... Since when a company reducing production means they are intered simultaneously in price reduction? For a very good reason they are just creating a fake "scarcity" situation, just like all the time they decide "pc market is not dancing at our pace" a.k.a. peasants thing they have to have money for anything other than give it back to me. They are not gonna reduce price, they are not interested in making it "competitive", they are not gonna look at anything other than making the most profit with the least resources, look at 4090 lauch price, look at the "un-launch" of 4080, look at them reducing production, the incentive is simple, pure greed. Do not expect a thing unless you take them by the balls and not buy a thing; but again, read the article "enthusiast" keeping these scummy practices afloat buying the 750USD parts, so the signal was sent... launch something somewhat decent and put an exorbitant price tag, IT WORKS... mostly.

Reddoguk:

The one thing i'm shocked about is they must of known that the X3D technology is a very strong gaming performer so why not put it on all 7000 series chips? Makes no sense to me why they didn't just go for the same tech again first and then maybe down the line just the normal chips. Of course 7000 series isn't gonna sell that well when people need a whole new system to jump to AM5.

I'd say so they can double dip on the CPU side. Although that's not much good if the non 3d cach varient isn't selling that well to start with.

H83:

And Intel CPUs are even more expensive!...

In fact, they are not. A 13700K is about the same price as a 7700x (and giving you 8+8 cores to boot), and a 13600k is cheaper, still giving you 6+8 cores.

schmidtbag:

Same - I'm waiting for the release of the 7700 non-X, the 13600, and 13500. With practically self-overclocking chips and boost clocks being way higher than I'll ever need for gaming purposes, I'm fine with a "low-end" CPU with 16-20 threads. Both AMD and Intel are pushing their chips way beyond their "efficiency sweet spots" and since I'm only looking for 4K@60FPS, I don't need any of that. Intel has been a lot more reasonable lately about i5 prices so if AMD doesn't fix their pricing, I'm going with an i5. But honestly... I'd really rather be upgrading my GPU before my CPU. But prices for those suck too. I have the money to do a $2000+ system upgrade right now but I can't justify the price.

13400 + B660 motherboard + DDR4 should suit your use case, should have plenty of budget left for the GPU.

The strategy of market on this new 7000 series was clearly to sell it first, and then force people to buy that same series with 3D V-cache after a short time.

I knew this was coming. Intel wasnt going to just give up, funny that youngsters thought Intel was DONE or something LMAO. Before Ryzen, you got laughed at for having an AMD system. So im not surprised one bit that Intel came back and smacked AMD down, just like the did years ago with the Core2Duo line. Also, AMD no longer has the huge advantage of using the same socket. Competition is good but i expect Intel to pull ahead with futher generations just like theyve always done. Im using a 5900x system at the moment but strongly considering ditching AMD and finally going back to Intel

My father still using happily an athlon 3400 fm2 socket with Radeon 6400 build in on Windows 7 4gb ram (deep freezed) I anounced him that I will soon set him up with my ryzen 1600 16gb ram and a Radeon 7850 .....and he just asked me ...why ...his PC works good still he said 🙂 .... Well for some football steams with ace reading news and light YouTube .... Indeed it is still covering his needs ..... If I had to tell him he needs to pay 200 to get a faster PC he would have laughed me out of the door. Ps: all the hardware I am giving or buying for my father I give it to him for free.

Beside market situation, etc it is also a very poor executive decision from AMD: they KNOW that they have a powerful CPU for gaming in 5800X3D, even they say that there will be 3D cache variants of Ryzen 7XXX next year and they expect you to buy this series right now...Why? Better to wait for next year when hopefully motherboard prices and RAM will be lower and buy a supposedly better CPU. They should also pray for lower DDR 5 RAM prices because as it is right now it's quite bad. The fact that I can keep my expensive kit of 3600 Mhz CL14 DDR4 memory and just buy an Intel CPU and motherboard instead of the whole AMD package is again bad for them. Dropping DDR4 support for good was another bad executive decision from them. Too many errors and with the current economical situation they simply can't get away with this.

Because upgrading your current platform is a far cheaper option than upgrading to an entirely new platform (AM5)..

mackintosh:

Sadly, we're still some ways away from the peak crazy prices of the QX9775 days. Remember the QX9755? It was $1499.

Of course! - This CPU triggered a system error in my brain: five minutes full of WTF, WHY, WHO, HOW...

schmidtbag:

...I have the money to do a $2000+ system upgrade right now but I can't justify the price.

I have a similar situation - I put some money away every month during the year for the "winter upgrade" but right now the only thing that makes sense for me is the elusive 4090 FE and spend the rest of the money to upgrade/maintenance my custom loop and a new case for my wife's PC... I will keep my trusty 5950X for now.

Tbh if one had to upgrade to a new platform zen 4 makes way more sense then raptor lake. Since it has future whilst raptor lake is the last hurrah of that platform. That is what my friend did. Didn't see any benefit going and waiting for Intel. Since the new platform is far away

Let me tell you why I will not buy this platform. CPU The price is quite high even though the performance gain can justify the price increased but the inflation is very high and you will need to folk out a lot of money to buy other necessary components. MB It's very expensive but necessary in order to use this platform. DDR5 I need to buy new DDR5 which the price is still very expensive and the technology is not yet to matured like DDR4. It will take around 1 more year for it to mature. Unlike when I upgraded from Ryzen 3000 to 5000, I still can use back my old DDR4 which save me quite some money. SSD (Optional) PCIe 5.0 NVMe SSD is not yet available in the market. I know PCIe 5.0 is not really necessary for the real world usage but If I want to spend that kind of money on CPU, RAM, and MB then I might as well get something that can utilize my system capability to its full potential. I don't want to install PCIe 4.0 NVMe SSD then migrate to the new PCIe 5.0 NVMe SSD later. PSU (Optional) ATX 3.0 PSU is around the corner and new GPU starting to demand it. If I want to upgrade everything then I will as well replace the PSU to ATX 3.0. If my system is stable then I don't like to touch it and cabling management is a nightmare job. AM5 1st Gen Platform I had a bit of hassle when the new AM4 just launched before it became stable. I would sit back and wait a bit longer and to see the new platform situation before I jump ship to this platform.

As for me I am seeing what Intel and AMD have in 2 years of time out. Since I am gaming on almost 4K my best option is to upgrade GPU before that. But that is pretty much all I need to do.

Ryu5uzaku:

Tbh if one had to upgrade to a new platform zen 4 makes way more sense then raptor lake. Since it has future whilst raptor lake is the last hurrah of that platform. That is what my friend did. Didn't see any benefit going and waiting for Intel. Since the new platform is far away

Replying to my own post. Basically he paid 650€ for the 7900x which is ok. Then 350€ for the motherboard which is well not the best but manageable. DDR5 he got 6000mhz CL36 for 244€ which is ok. It's "only" 70€ more then 3600mhz similar DDR4. Whilst the CPU is I feel fairly priced. Only issue I really had was the motherboards. He ended up paying 3800 total without the GPU because he spent almost 2000€ for SSD and HDD 😀 and got a new power and a case to boot. So no I do not think the AM5 is ultra expensive as such. Tho 1300€ is a bit salty but still I've seen way worse. He even got the pci-e 5.0 motherboard. Also was a fun build actually. First time in a long time I got to build a pc from scratch and it even booted from the get go. With alphacool 420 AiO it also keeps really nice and cool / silent 😀 I am running alphacool 280 myself for the 5900x and it's so nice tbh