Glad that AMD has been working on this seriously, if and when i return to AMD, i want to know it will meet my expectations of the advertised spec.

Nicked_Wicked:

MSI and Gigabyte already have the beta BIOS available albeit not officially. MSI: https://forum-en.msi.com/index.php?topic=323855.0 Gigabyte: https://forums.tweaktown.com/gigabyte/28441-gigabyte-beta-bios.html The best core on my 3800X now reaches 4520Mhz with the Aorus Master. Seems to be fine so far.

The msi link they have just reposted the existing ab bios's off the support pages, still no abb or abba or bloody ncc 1701 b, c, or d.

insp1re2600:

The msi link they have just reposted the existing ab bios's off the support pages, still no abb or abba or bloody ncc 1701 b, c, or d.

Gimme gimme gimme a bios update............................ *ahem*

In my opinion this solves the advertising problem. But I'll wait a bit more before I update the BIOS, cause other fixes/improvements might come, and my system is working fine.

jwb1:

Owned AMD before. Building an AMD system for Plex. Main rig is Intel. I call out AMD and Intel on BS. It just so happens AMD has more BS and their fanboys.

I'm still waiting for that 28-core 5 GHz all-core CPU that Intel promised last year. Should I start posting that video ad-nauseam like you're doing? :P Your response is also highly ironic. @craycray (among many others) are sick and tired of you fanboyism, yet you declare AMD fans are the worst? If you want to see an obnoxious fanboy then you only need to look in the mirror.

D3M1G0D:

I'm still waiting for that 28-core 5 GHz all-core CPU that Intel promised last year. Should I start posting that video ad-nauseam like you're doing? 😛 Your response is also highly ironic. @craycray (among many others) are sick and tired of you fanboyism, yet you declare AMD fans are the worst? If you want to see an obnoxious fanboy then you only need to look in the mirror.

is the chiller included?

D3M1G0D:

Your response is also highly ironic. @craycray (among many others) are sick and tired of you fanboyism, yet you declare AMD fans are the worst? If you want to see an obnoxious fanboy then you only need to look in the mirror.

Am I forcing you to respond in any way? And so you would rather this place just jack off to everything AMD does? I was highly critical of the 9900KS and 8086K. But people only gravitate to my criticism of AMD. That's their problem, not mine.

jwb1:

Am I forcing you to respond in any way? And so you would rather this place just jack off to everything AMD does? I was highly critical of the 9900KS and 8086K. But people only gravitate to my criticism of AMD. That's their problem, not mine.

His point is you're being a hypocrite... Also, everyone was critical of the 9900KS and 8086K except the most diehard Intel fans.

schmidtbag:

His point is you're being a hypocrite...

In regards to the "28-core 5 GHz all-core CPU that Intel promised". Since you want to deflect to Intel... my first question is exactly where did Intel promise this would be available?! And did I ever post anything positive about this? I don't think so. So you can try and call me a hypocrite all you want, but going to whataboutism that doesn't exist doesn't make sense.

jwb1:

In regards to the "28-core 5 GHz all-core CPU that Intel promised". Since you want to deflect to Intel... my first question is exactly where did Intel promise this would be available?! And did I ever post anything positive about this? I don't think so. So you can try and call me a hypocrite all you want, but going to whataboutism that doesn't exist doesn't make sense.

Actually, I don't want to deflect to Intel. But since you want to play this game of "he said she said", where did AMD promise the boost clocks that you so vehemently wish the 3900X would reach? They advertised "up to" speeds. Call that shady or stupid or whatever, but, they promised nothing. The thing that makes you hypocritical is how you get all whiny about AMD and the biases of their fans, yet, you yourself are constantly whining and showing blatant biases. You've admitted in an earlier post to being an Intel fanboy, so, no need for me to place labels.

schmidtbag:

Actually, I don't want to deflect to Intel. But since you want to play this game of "he said she said", where did AMD promise the boost clocks that you so vehemently wish the 3900X would reach? They advertised "up to" speeds. Call that shady or stupid or whatever, but, they promised nothing.

I get it you think they did nothing wrong. And you don't think it matters they advertise under sneaky and false info. And you think its okay that AMD sneakily went onto their website and added some wording to try and deflect what was going on? What AMD said when they did that after the fact is that it's pretty much a BS number that you might never see, as it's a "nominal" number. There's not even a percentage figure of what the chance is to reach that "nominal" frequency. It is advertising/selling a product under a false pretense, as not a single customer would've read boost speeds as something you might never achieve. And then things go worse after reviews were out for people. As they got lesser clocks with the updates. Are you really, really surprised this is going bad for AMD? Can you honestly defend AMD on this and say you wouldn't be annoyed if Intel did the same thing?

schmidtbag:

Actually, I don't want to deflect to Intel. But since you want to play this game of "he said she said", where did AMD promise the boost clocks that you so vehemently wish the 3900X would reach? They advertised "up to" speeds. Call that shady or stupid or whatever, but, they promised nothing. The thing that makes you hypocritical is how you get all whiny about AMD and the biases of their fans, yet, you yourself are constantly whining and showing blatant biases. You've admitted in an earlier post to being an Intel fanboy, so, no need for me to place labels.

Where does it actually say "up to" speeds? People keep saying this and I don't see it. It certainly doesn't say that on their product pages for any of these processors. https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-9-3950x Even the little info thing that's now included was added after the processors were shipping (after I bought mine) and they've removed and re-added it twice. It still doesn't say "up to" anywhere in that but at least it tried to clarify. Also where do you draw the line on "up to" - if AMD took LN2 to a processor and got a single core running at 5.4Ghz would you be okay if they advertised "Max Boost Clock: 5.4" because it can go up to 5.4 under some insane scenario?

jwb1:

In regards to the "28-core 5 GHz all-core CPU that Intel promised". Since you want to deflect to Intel... my first question is exactly where did Intel promise this would be available?! And did I ever post anything positive about this? I don't think so. So you can try and call me a hypocrite all you want, but going to whataboutism that doesn't exist doesn't make sense.

Either you didn't watch the presentation or you are pretending to be ignorant of it. Just to remind you: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-cpu-28-core-5-ghz,37201.html

Intel's keynote address at Computex 2018 came with a few surprises, but none were more surprising to the crowd than the demonstration of a 28-core workstation-class processor running at 5GHz. Intel says the new chip will come to market in Q4 of 2018.

Again, if you want me to spam the demo video over and over again ad-nauseum then I'll glad to do so (then again, I'm not a troll so I probably won't 😛) You are one of the worst Intel fanboys on these forums. For you to call out AMD fanboys is the height of hypocrisy. Even when AMD is fixing the issue and releasing updated BIOSes you continue to bash them for it. If you want an example of an extreme, irrational fanboy then look up this guy: @jwb1

now I have to find what this does to the MSI prestige creation all I'm waiting to go from wishlist to basket edit : seems it fixed it with a 3700x anyway..now I wait for a cpu to be in stock :P (pre-ordering unavailable cpu is the woprst idea ever, I did it once by the time I got mine the price went down and the following model was soon to be announced)

D3M1G0D:

Either you didn't watch the presentation or you are pretending to be ignorant of it. Just to remind you: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-cpu-28-core-5-ghz,37201.html

Its a dumb BS marketing move by Intel that I don't think anyone took serious. I sure didn't. Again, I never comment or praised them for it. But the fact is, we aren't talking about Intel. We are talking about AMD and an actual product they released under false advertising that people paid money for. This is just proving my point that AMD fanboys want to deflect to Intel everytime and Intel is the devil blah blah. AMD is way better. YOU are just feeding that narrative.

jwb1:

That's fine. Its a dumb BS marketing move by Intel. Again, I never comment or praised them for it. But the fact is, we aren't talking about Intel. We are talking about AMD and an actual product they released under false advertising. This is just proving my point that AMD fanboys want to deflect to Intel everytime and Intel is the devil blah blah. AMD is way better. YOU are just feeding that narrative.

So Intel's outright lies about a fictitious product is just a "dumb BS marketing move" while AMD's misleading boost behavior (which they have pledged to fix) are practically worth suing over? You claimed that AMD has more BS. They don't. Intel is just as guilty of broken promises and outlandish claims. Yet you consistently choose to bash AMD while giving Intel a pass. You aren't some objective observer, standing for truth and justice, which is how you're trying to portray yourself. You are clearly a rabid Intel fanboy who wants to throw mud at AMD for any and all reason. You even jumped right into the new thread to continue spewing your hatred - which, ironically, is precisely what I said you would do.

D3M1G0D:

So Intel's outright lies about a fictitious product is just a "dumb BS marketing move" while AMD's misleading boost behavior (which they have pledged to fix) are practically worth suing over?

You are a lost cause if you cannot tell the difference. One has ZERO money exchanged, the other DOES. Do I have to remind you about the lawsuit with Bulldozer? You are arguing that we can sue and get mad at car companies for showing early products before sale. Like a car they showed and either didn't release or was vastly different. And they haven't fixed it. In some cases its worse. If they finally totally resolve it to what they advertised and promised, I will give them credit. But I will still be highly critical of how they handled it and if it wasn't for the fine people like Roman and others who investigated, they might not have done nothing.

jwb1:

I get it you think they did nothing wrong. And you don't think it matters they advertise under sneaky and false info. And you think its okay that AMD sneakily went onto their website and added some wording to try and deflect what was going on?

I didn't say it doesn't matter if they advertise under sneaky info (not sure where you're getting "false" from, since it's already established that it isn't false). Do you have proof they sneaked in new wording?

And then things go worse after reviews were out for people. As they got lesser clocks with the updates.

Huh? Last I heard, plenty of reviewers were unable to reach the max speed.

Are you really, really surprised this is going bad for AMD? Can you honestly defend AMD on this and say you wouldn't be annoyed if Intel did the same thing?

Are you really, really that convinced this is as bad as you think it is? I mean really - you are aware of how many people who disagree with your perspective on this, right? Who the hell buys an 8+ core CPU and gripes about ~100MHz when one core is maxed out? For those who got worse results, sure, maybe they have more of a right to complain, but we also don't know what their configuration is. Anyway, I'm not really defending AMD in the sense that "eh it's just a few MHz why does it matter?" but rather defending against your overblown ridicule and fearmongering. It's kinda as if you were calling a mildly chubby person "morbidly obese". Doesn't change the fact the person might need to change their diet and lifestyle, but you're making it seem so much worse than it really is, especially now that there's known good progress being made.

Denial:

Where does it actually say "up to" speeds? People keep saying this and I don't see it. It certainly doesn't say that on their product pages for any of these processors.

It doesn't literally say that, but when you have it marketed as "max boost" with a technology that "dynamically" adjusts clock speed (according to AMD), it means the exact same thing. It's just a lot faster and easier to say "boosts up to" than "dynamically adjustable to the maximum advertised boost".

Also where do you draw the line on "up to" - if AMD took LN2 to a processor and got a single core running at 5.4Ghz would you be okay if they advertised "Max Boost Clock: 5.4" because it can go up to 5.4 under some insane scenario?

C'mon, you know better what that answer is. The line is drawn at the base clock and the max advertised boost clock. That being said, what's actually technically false advertisement is when the CPU automatically goes over the advertised boost clocks (which it sometimes does). Of course, nobody wants to complain about faster-than-advertised performance. EDIT: Of course, they have to stick an upper limit in, for the sake of not letting the CPU burn itself up.

insp1re2600:

The msi link they have just reposted the existing ab bios's off the support pages, still no abb or abba or bloody ncc 1701 b, c, or d.

LOL Star Trek FTW Just letting people know how to get the MSI BIOS X570 Beta Fixed Boost BIOS is on the MSI FTP site free for anyone to grab them. I am sure they will post the rest in soon B350/X370/B450/X470. MSI FTP server if you wanna check it out ,just hit login. Go to your Motherboard and check date of BIOS for newest Beta 2019-09-10. Do not download the wrong BIOS and Brick your board. http://msi-ftp.de:8080/main.html

@jwb1 has been warned repeatedly about his constant fanboyism and people getting tired of it, but the mods don't seem to actually follow through with their warnings it seems. I have no idea what is going on in this thread, since i have him blocked, but it sure seems like a utter nonsense has been flung all over the place over him. I just wish the mods would actually deal with him, since so many are constantly getting fed up with his nonsense.