Koniakki:

Just curious as to why it's bad. Closest price wise is the 7940X at ~$1245 which the 2970WX offers 71.4% more cores for a 4.3% premium. Or 71.4% more cores, for 7.1% less if we go by msrp.

He's only comparing it to the price per core, similar to how people compare HDDs to price per GB. Since the 8-core 2700 is $299, that puts the per-core cost at $37.37, vs 24 core at $54.12 It's really not a "fair" way to compare processors, since like with most things, the higher end you go, the more expensive it is, but that doesn't mean it's still not cheap for what it is. Imagine 2 years ago for 24 cores, would still have been something like $3000 or more. I guess if we're only going on "cores" as a way to describe how badly something is priced or what is the best bang for your buck, then a GT 1050 (non-TI) @ $109 is a better bang for your buck GPU out then say the 1060, 1070 or 1080 there since it comes to $0.17 per core, vs $0.21 per core and higher for the 1060/1070/1080, and we should only consider the 1050 (non-TI) a good buy. Now if you could get two 12 core processors for $455 and stick them together and get 24 cores for $910, then yeah i'd say that $1299 for 24 cores would not be the wisest idea, since you could get the same for $910(same-ish price per core vs the 2700), but that's not the case. Effectively though he's saying the 24 core should cost $910 (or $899? if you want more retail-like prices) Personally, i don't see the problem with AMD charging a very small premium compared to their competitors for higher end products that they can't otherwise get for less. It's not like they are doing what Intel did with the 6000/7000 series, where if you wanted a 4 core processor, you could get one for $199, but if you wanted an 8 core, you had to add another $400 totally $599 for that, and if you wanted 2 additional cores to make 10, you had to fork over another $400 for those 2 additional cores to make $999, and if you wanted another 6 cores to make 16, you had to for over another $700 to make $1699, and yet again if you wanted another 2 cores to make 18, you had to fork over another $300 to make $1999 I mean my goodness, that's not only a massively gigantic price hike for cores, especially 8 to 10 cores which cost you $400 for 2 additional cores, but it simply didn't make any sense either, the price per core jumped up and down rather then having a gradual increase in price per core the higher end you went.

Koniakki:

Just curious as to why it's bad. Closest price wise is the 7940X at ~$1245 which the 2970WX offers 71.4% more cores for a 4.3% premium. Or 71.4% more cores, for 7.1% less if we go by msrp.

I just think for the performance for that type of core at this point in time we should be far ahead of where we are. That, and for non-work related reasons it makes very little sense purchase at that price compared to the regular offerings which cost significantly less per core.

heffeque:

As of the end of August, 1st Gen TR are much cheaper. $399 is the current SRP for the 1920X. $299 for the 1900X.

@Aura89 : He remembers it from TPU table month ago. AMD rarely puts out official price changes. And unlike intel, they do not have MSRP shown on their web. But, let's presume something: Since 2920X is now stated as $650, 1920X had to go down from original ($800) MSRP at least by $150. MSRP drop likely smaller or equal $300. If I was to throw guess, it would be $500~550 with 75% confidence. Rest would fall into $400~500 and $550~650... (nice Bell Curve where chance for both extremes is already close to 0)

Here: https://amp.tomshardware.com/news/amd-threadripper-1000-cpu-prices-sale,37700.html And here: https://www.anandtech.com/show/13273/amd-slashes-prices-of-first-gen-ryzen-threadripper-cpus I don't know if you need more links.

Not to forget that you get the full 64 PCIe 3.0 lanes even on the entry level TR... Intel doesn't even offer that on their top tier procs on their HEDT platform

heffeque:

Here: https://amp.tomshardware.com/news/amd-threadripper-1000-cpu-prices-sale,37700.html And here: https://www.anandtech.com/show/13273/amd-slashes-prices-of-first-gen-ryzen-threadripper-cpus I don't know if you need more links.

Neither of those are official msrp price changes, they are just random articles on the internet making claims that "look" official, but are not, and do not have any links to state an msrp change, and even state sale, but more obviously are random articles that do a bad job at not clarifying that they are only reporting the prices they see, not what AMD has told them. Again, i could go list a 2920x at $199 and make an article saying AMD must have changed their price because i have found 1 processor at $199. So clearly you do not understand. Again, even though it has been stated multiple times now, you just don't read, AMD giving their suppliers price cuts does not denote an MSRP price change, it only denotes them trying to get rid of stock. And you can not compare MSRP prices of new hardware against non-MSRP/clearance/blow out sales of old stock. This has been stated multiple times in multiple ways, if you can't understand that, then the only thing left to say is: I am sorry you can't understand the basics of the conversation at hand.

Aura89:

Neither of those are official msrp price changes, they are just random articles on the internet making claims that "look" official, but are not, and do not have any links to state an msrp change, and even state sale, but more obviously are random articles that do a bad job at not clarifying that they are only reporting the prices they see, not what AMD has told them. Again, i could go list a 2920x at $199 and make an article saying AMD must have changed their price because i have found 1 processor at $199. So clearly you do not understand. Again, even though it has been stated multiple times now, you just don't read, AMD giving their suppliers price cuts does not denote an MSRP price change, it only denotes them trying to get rid of stock. And you can not compare MSRP prices of new hardware against non-MSRP/clearance/blow out sales of old stock. This has been stated multiple times in multiple ways, if you can't understand that, then the only thing left to say is: I am sorry you can't understand the basics of the conversation at hand.

MSRP (manufacturer's suggested retail price) and SRP (suggested retail price) are exactly the same thing. If you had bothered to read the linked articles, you would have seen that AMD has given a new SRP on 1st gen TR. Here is a copy-paste: The chipmaker has adjusted the suggested retail price for the Threadripper 1920X with 12 cores and 24 threads from $799 to $399 I've added the underline for a more dramatic effect 😉 Hope you can find a moment to admit that you were wrong.

heffeque:

Hope you can find a moment to admit that you were wrong.

Well, Aura89, I see you found time to comment in other threads but didn't find time for this. Just wanted to point that out... so you can evaluate your attitude and yourself a bit.

Aura89:

Again, it's not the MSRP. At worst, the MSRP is $499, but likely is $599 now (i don't know if it's known, other then for $799, since they likely are not manufacturing the 1920x anymore) And again, the entire point is you can't compare MSRP of a brand new processor to non-MSRP prices of previous generations. It's the same apples and oranges comparisons people make of the new Athlon processors price vs a price of a 2000 series intel processor. It's not comparable. Again, also, like i said in the original post, if the question is simply is it worth it to buy a 1920x if you can find that much of a discount, obviously the answer is yes, but the question was about AMDs current MSRP of a new processor vs AMDs previous non-MSRP processor prices. Not comparable, AMDs previous-generation non-MSRP prices have no affect on their current generations MSRP prices. And if AMDs last-gen non-MSRP prices are having an affect on current-gen MSRP prices, that'll be up to the individual sellers to break away from MSRP prices, which likely won't happen for many reasons.

Wow you are working so hard to be right. The point was why buy the new one when you can get an equal performance one at a cheaper price at this point in time. SO that would be apple and an apple.

NewTRUMP Order:

Wow you are working so hard to be right. The point was why buy the new one when you can get an equal performance one at a cheaper price at this point in time. SO that would be apple and an apple.

Its not about being right, its about facts. Some people understand what a fact is, whereas others want facts to be whatever they want it to be. Its sad really, since they just shut themselves into their own little world. As well, the rest of your post shows you did not read my original reply, which stated if he was asking if he should buy at clearance prices, not msrp, then the answer is absolutely. Doesnt make clearance/blowout prices comparable to MSRP prices of new processors to determine if the MSRP price of the new processor is high or not, since they can not be compared as one is a temporary sale to get rid of inventory, and one is the actual price of a product. You seem to not read his original post, which does not directly ask if he should buy the clearance processor, but rather complains about the MSRP price of the new processor, because the old processor is on clearance.....

heffeque:

2920X price ($650) is pretty high against 1920X ($400; sometimes even less) for the same core count, higher RAM and turbo, and a bit more optimization. Is the 2920X really worth 50% more than the 1920X? Are Ryzen optimizations really that high against the previous Ryzen version?

And my reply you did not read

Aura89:

Thats not the msrp of the 1920x, so i'm not quite sure what point you are trying to make is. If you yourself are trying to decide, then if you can find the 1920x for that much under msrp, then great, buy it. AMD is not at fault for people not following msrp.

But i have him on ignore now so its all good, no point arguing with a wall that doesn't understand the basics. The point still stands, you can not compare MSRP prices of new products to non-MSRP prices, to clearance, blowout, etc. prices of previous generation items. That doesn't mean they are not good deals, they are great deals, but retailers trying to get rid of inventory for the new inventory does not magically make the MSRP of the new processor "bad" or "pretty high" as he put it, since clearance/blowout/non-MRP prices of previous generation processors has nothing to do with and is not comparable with MSRP prices of a new processor.

NewTRUMP Order:

Wow you are working so hard to be right. The point was why buy the new one when you can get an equal performance one at a cheaper price at this point in time. SO that would be apple and an apple.

I wouldn't bother with him. After showing him definite proof of why he is completely wrong, and seeing that not only he won't admit that he is wrong, but he completely ignores the given proof, it's like arguing with an arrogant and willfully ignorant wall. Just like the three "wise" monkeys.