AMD 10-core Ryzen 2800X in response to Intel Core i9-9900K?

rl66

2018-09-10 15:50

Abilio_KID:

Xeon X5650 with 12C/24T? Mine doesn't do that o_O

in single CPU no, it's 6T/12T... but most bench consider that is single CPU even if you have many (i haven't got a 16C/32T either despite it show this way).

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JamesSneed

2018-09-10 16:08

Maybee it is a pizza with 10 pepperonis?

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Agent-A01

2018-09-10 17:06

FeDaYin:

Intel is a stuttery and choppy and hiccups mess (did you notice your cursor stops moving for 1 second for absolutely no reason ? No such thing on AMD). No idea why all Intel SKUs since the beginning of time have this problem. no more input lag like it does on Intel, no blocking like it does on Intel, no lockups like it does on Intel, no audio crackle like it does on Intel. You cannot fu****g listen to music on some Intel SKUs without audio crackle while playing certain games.

What? I've never seen any of that on multiple intel systems. That sounds like a lot of user error IMO.

#5583102

Venix

2018-09-10 18:02

FeDaYin:

My opinion is that Ryzen FEELS snappier/smoother than Intel, but if you care only about bigger numbers, you should be a theoretical mathematician in the first place. Intel is a stuttery and choppy and hiccups mess (did you notice your cursor stops moving for 1 second for absolutely no reason ? No such thing on AMD). No idea why all Intel SKUs since the beginning of time have this problem. I transcode movies with 50% CPU utilization on AMD while playing games and nothing changes about the game, no more input lag like it does on Intel, no blocking like it does on Intel, no lockups like it does on Intel, no audio crackle like it does on Intel. You cannot fu****g listen to music on some Intel SKUs without audio crackle while playing certain games. AMD feels like it doesn't max out when it reaches 100% per core.

what are you smoking ? I3 330m on a laptop never had such problem ... intel 3770k on my old desktop also no such problem ... also saw multiple core 2 duos in the past and quads ...and various generations of i 3 /5 /7 on other people briefly none of em what so ever did this crackling you talk about 2800x 10 core ? unless they cram in there 2 dies .... i doubt it ! not with zen+ at least

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schmidtbag

2018-09-10 18:04

MrMean3r:

I wonder if it would be possible to run the third CCX on only two cores in such a was as to gain more single thread performance? It would probably be a core affinity nightmare, but it would be nice to see a single core performance boost on and AMD processor. Just a thought . . .

I've wondered the same thing, though in a more generalized sense: Why does each CCX need to have the same amount of cores as the other?

airbud7:

must have at least 11 cores before i get one

So, why don't you get one of the existing 12 core models?

#5583110

Reddoguk

2018-09-10 18:15

I get what he's saying because i've experienced something similar with Intel cpus. When the cpu is maxed out then it seems to be really maxed out but with AMD when the cpu hits 100% it still seems to have something left over to do other stuff. I think it might be down to how actually the CPU works while being close to 100% usage. When i stress test my Intel CPU and then try listen to music or whatever it does sometimes hang a bit. While my AMD system is happy at 100% and seems to be able to cope with even more added tasks.

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airbud7

2018-09-10 18:31

schmidtbag:

So, why don't you get one of the existing 12 core models?

I only need 11.

#5583128

neikosr0x

2018-09-10 18:51

Glottiz:

Problem is 9900K will comfortably run 5Ghz (if not more) on all cores, which is excellent for gaming and productivity, while AMD is still stuck in 4Ghz range.

Well It is well known that Zen+ with the 2700x is very very competitive vs any Intel CPU even the 8700k Yes not as good in gaming as Zen+ is always 5 to 13 FPS at 1080p behind The thing is that Zen+ or even "Zen1" Are way cheaper than any Intel CPU that would give you the same or more performance... That 9900x will certainly be better in my ways than any Zen+ to date not sure about Zen2. But again at what price? my guess is not less than 650USD and not less than 700 Pounds unless Zen2.

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neikosr0x

2018-09-10 18:53

FeDaYin:

My opinion is that Ryzen FEELS snappier/smoother than Intel, but if you care only about bigger numbers, you should be a theoretical mathematician in the first place. Intel is a stuttery and choppy and hiccups mess (did you notice your cursor stops moving for 1 second for absolutely no reason ? No such thing on AMD). No idea why all Intel SKUs since the beginning of time have this problem. I transcode movies with 50% CPU utilization on AMD while playing games and nothing changes about the game, no more input lag like it does on Intel, no blocking like it does on Intel, no lockups like it does on Intel, no audio crackle like it does on Intel. You cannot fu****g listen to music on some Intel SKUs without audio crackle while playing certain games. AMD feels like it doesn't max out when it reaches 100% per core.

Ohhh man the Audio Crackle, It happened sooo many times on my Intels CPUs not once with Ryzen

#5583185

TLD LARS

2018-09-10 21:30

neikosr0x:

Ohhh man the Audio Crackle, It happened sooo many times on my Intels CPUs not once with Ryzen

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Cant remember where the test was, but a reviewer testet Ryzen vs 8700k when gaming and steaming at the same time, the Ryzen gave the streaming conversion higher priority and the 8700k gave the game higher priority The Ryzen had worse gaming experience, but a lot less dropped frames in the streaming and the 8700K produced a very bad stream, without playing around with locking cores to stream only. It looked like the 2 CPU´es had very different automatic load distribution algorithms. My last 4 CPU´es has been AMD, so sadly i can not test it myself, i can run Cinebench or benchmark CPU while listening to music and browse around, the machine is slower and the score is lower, but everything runs without error.

#5583186

chispy

2018-09-10 21:31

Not happening , i call it fake 😉

#5583199

The Reeferman

2018-09-10 21:59

FeDaYin:

My opinion is that Ryzen FEELS snappier/smoother than Intel, but if you care only about bigger numbers, you should be a theoretical mathematician in the first place. Intel is a stuttery and choppy and hiccups mess (did you notice your cursor stops moving for 1 second for absolutely no reason ? No such thing on AMD). No idea why all Intel SKUs since the beginning of time have this problem. I transcode movies with 50% CPU utilization on AMD while playing games and nothing changes about the game, no more input lag like it does on Intel, no blocking like it does on Intel, no lockups like it does on Intel, no audio crackle like it does on Intel. You cannot fu****g listen to music on some Intel SKUs without audio crackle while playing certain games. AMD feels like it doesn't max out when it reaches 100% per core.

I recognize that too.

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H83

2018-09-10 22:35

airbud7:

I only need 11.

I want one with 13 cores...

#5583270

wavetrex

2018-09-11 02:22

My special-issue software crashes if the CPU doesn't have exactly 1.21 Jiga-Cores. Come on VIA, I know you can do it !

#5583275

sykozis

2018-09-11 02:37

Agent-A01:

What? I've never seen any of that on multiple intel systems. That sounds like a lot of user error IMO.

I've experienced the audio crackling on several Intel systems. That's why I don't use onboard audio. It only really seems to be a problem when an older Realtek audio chipset is used. I never thought to test with the Realtek audio chipset on my Z170 board. I tried to test it with another (non-Realtek) integrated audio chip, but the crackling persisted regardless of the CPU load. Aside from the audio crackling, I've never seen the other issues claimed, but I also don't try to do CPU intensive tasks in the background while gaming. I've had no problem listening to music while playing any game, regardless of CPU....unless you take into account the insane amount of crackling from Realtek audio chipsets. Stick with a dedicated sound card and no crackling seems to happen.

#5583282

Warrax

2018-09-11 03:46

BReal85:

And what you get for an extra 1 GHz? Not too much.

And what you get for extra cores? NOTHING IN MOST CASES while IPC/IPS affects performance in absolutely everything even in multicores environment. People will never win the "more cores is better than ipc" argument unless everything scales like crazy which it doesn't.

#5583289

Jayp

2018-09-11 04:34

RzrTrek:

Makes all the difference if you're a high refresh rate gamer such as myself.

Couldn't agree more. I have both 2700x and 8700K systems and I much prefer to use my intel system for high refresh QHD with 1080 ti. Ryzen just isn't as well rounded yet for that purpose.

#5583290

Jayp

2018-09-11 04:39

FeDaYin:

My opinion is that Ryzen FEELS snappier/smoother than Intel, but if you care only about bigger numbers, you should be a theoretical mathematician in the first place. Intel is a stuttery and choppy and hiccups mess (did you notice your cursor stops moving for 1 second for absolutely no reason ? No such thing on AMD). No idea why all Intel SKUs since the beginning of time have this problem. I transcode movies with 50% CPU utilization on AMD while playing games and nothing changes about the game, no more input lag like it does on Intel, no blocking like it does on Intel, no lockups like it does on Intel, no audio crackle like it does on Intel. You cannot fu****g listen to music on some Intel SKUs without audio crackle while playing certain games. AMD feels like it doesn't max out when it reaches 100% per core.

As an owner of both 8700K and 2700x I don't see the snappiness you refer to in your post. The 8700K is much more snappier in the daily use and performs better for high refresh gaming. My Ryzen system is great when I need more CPU power for things like encoding for me personally. I DO NOT find Ryzen even overclocked with good memory to be snappier in most software. They have their uses but not as many people benefit from Ryzen 8 cores over a good Intel 6 core. Ryzen is definitely more powerful when all cores are utilized but you have to have a use case to reap the extra performance.

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Fox2232

2018-09-11 08:13

Jayp:

As an owner of both 8700K and 2700x I don't see the snappiness you refer to in your post. The 8700K is much more snappier in the daily use and performs better for high refresh gaming. My Ryzen system is great when I need more CPU power for things like encoding for me personally. I DO NOT find Ryzen even overclocked with good memory to be snappier in most software. They have their uses but not as many people benefit from Ryzen 8 cores over a good Intel 6 core. Ryzen is definitely more powerful when all cores are utilized but you have to have a use case to reap the extra performance.

You are right. 6C/12T intel definitely does not suffer from 1s freezes. That must be something with OS. But as you go into not as many people benefit... there you have to face facts. And it is cost vs. benefit. That's: what you save on CPU/MB is going towards GPU. And with today prices vs. needs... Average gamer should not be getting 2700X, yet alone more expensive 8700K. They should aim at 2600X and invest saved money towards GPU. You see it at all graphs everywhere. While 8700K can get you higher fps, it is with high end GPU. It does not matter at all when you can barely afford even GTX 1060 moment you go for 8700K. So, it is better to get GTX 1070(Ti) and Ryzen 2600(X).

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JamesSneed

2018-09-11 14:32

FeDaYin:

My opinion is that Ryzen FEELS snappier/smoother than Intel, but if you care only about bigger numbers, you should be a theoretical mathematician in the first place. Intel is a stuttery and choppy and hiccups mess (did you notice your cursor stops moving for 1 second for absolutely no reason ? No such thing on AMD). No idea why all Intel SKUs since the beginning of time have this problem. I transcode movies with 50% CPU utilization on AMD while playing games and nothing changes about the game, no more input lag like it does on Intel, no blocking like it does on Intel, no lockups like it does on Intel, no audio crackle like it does on Intel. You cannot fu****g listen to music on some Intel SKUs without audio crackle while playing certain games. AMD feels like it doesn't max out when it reaches 100% per core.

Its simply windows runs smoother with a higher core count. The way the system interrupts are handled are a bit sloppy in Windows which is also why Linux CPU tests say geekbench turn out higher numbers. It's not an Intel or AMD issue.