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GeForce GTX 1660 Spotted in Presentation - TU116 with GDDR5 and GDDR6 inbound
It seems there cannot pass a single day not talking about the non Raytracing GeForce GTX 1660. A photo of a presentation surfaced, and check out what is showing in the backgound, yes .. the GeForce GTX 1660.
So yes, the GeForce GTX 1660 is arriving rather sooner than later. If you look closer at the slide you can see a reference model with the model number. Next to the card is the text "one more thing - new GTX Turing". That implies that at least one chip with the new Turing architecture will arrive. There would be two video cards based on the chip, namely the GTX 1660 and the 1660 Ti. The Ti variant will very likely get GDDR6 graphics memory, the non-Ti would get GDDR5 graphics memory as well as a 6GB and 3GB configuration. The 1660 series would not have raytracing cores. It remains unknown if tensor cores are present. We expect the cards to occupy the 200 to 300 USD price domain.
This is the rumored deck of cards you might see:
| Nvidia GeForce | ||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
| GTX 1060 | GTX 1660 | GTX 1660 Ti | RTX 2060 | |
| GPU | GP106 | 12nm FF TU116 | 12nm FF TU116 | 12nm FF TU106 |
| Shader cores | 1280 | 1280 | 1536 | 1920 |
| Memory | 6 GB / 3GB GDDR5 | 6GB / 3GB GDDR5 | 6GB GDDR6 | 6GB GDDR6 |
| Memory bus | 192-bit | 192-bit | 192-bit | 192-bit |
sources: Reddit , ShinChao Tou (Facebook)
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#5630690 Posted on: 01/23/2019 05:28 PM
so RTX - high end, pricey.
no RTX - mid range, mass market.
why would any developer want to spend resources on Ray tracing now that its clear that the mass market won't support it....?
It's a transitional phase, I guess in the next one or two generation of cards, raytracing will be supported in a wider range of cards.
Right now there's a limit to what can be done, but gotta start somewhere, right?
Raytracing is a long term thing, kinda the end goal I guess.
so RTX - high end, pricey.
no RTX - mid range, mass market.
why would any developer want to spend resources on Ray tracing now that its clear that the mass market won't support it....?
It's a transitional phase, I guess in the next one or two generation of cards, raytracing will be supported in a wider range of cards.
Right now there's a limit to what can be done, but gotta start somewhere, right?
Raytracing is a long term thing, kinda the end goal I guess.
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#5630692 Posted on: 01/23/2019 05:31 PM
It's a transitional phase, I guess in the next one or two generation of cards, raytracing will be supported in a wider range of cards.
Right now there's a limit to what can be done, but gotta start somewhere, right?
maybe but don't forget that RTX is nvidia's exclusive implementation.
so AMD GPUs, consoles and even the future intel GPUs will not support it.
this is worse than Gameworks.
It's a transitional phase, I guess in the next one or two generation of cards, raytracing will be supported in a wider range of cards.
Right now there's a limit to what can be done, but gotta start somewhere, right?
maybe but don't forget that RTX is nvidia's exclusive implementation.
so AMD GPUs, consoles and even the future intel GPUs will not support it.
this is worse than Gameworks.
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#5630694 Posted on: 01/23/2019 05:33 PM
also this is ridiculous if true.
the 1660 is basically a refreshed 1060
and 3GB variant in 2019
also this is ridiculous if true.
the 1660 is basically a refreshed 1060
and 3GB variant in 2019
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#5630699 Posted on: 01/23/2019 05:47 PM
The RTX sales numbers have spoken and shareholders are not happy. Money is king. It will be interesting to see what Nvidia does with their lineup next gen. Will they abandon the RTX series, or will they still offer it when they've had some time to mature it further for better performance? Interesting times indeed.
The RTX sales numbers have spoken and shareholders are not happy. Money is king. It will be interesting to see what Nvidia does with their lineup next gen. Will they abandon the RTX series, or will they still offer it when they've had some time to mature it further for better performance? Interesting times indeed.
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#5630749 Posted on: 01/23/2019 07:29 PM
Not only is raytracing going to be the future of everything, it is also the endgame -- true photorealism.
As we've seen before with everything from 3D acceleration itself to tesselation to now raytracing, Nvidia is investing in something that we will all take for granted in the photoreal VR/AR of tomorrow.
It may not be worth buying this for gamers today. But it sure as hell will be in the coming years. That I can guarantee you.
Not only is raytracing going to be the future of everything, it is also the endgame -- true photorealism.
As we've seen before with everything from 3D acceleration itself to tesselation to now raytracing, Nvidia is investing in something that we will all take for granted in the photoreal VR/AR of tomorrow.
It may not be worth buying this for gamers today. But it sure as hell will be in the coming years. That I can guarantee you.
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#5630755 Posted on: 01/23/2019 07:47 PM
People: We think that the way in which Nvidia names their cards ti, 3/6GB VRAM and generation jump from 10- series to 20- series is confusing.
Nvidia: hold my beer.
People: We think that the way in which Nvidia names their cards ti, 3/6GB VRAM and generation jump from 10- series to 20- series is confusing.
Nvidia: hold my beer.
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#5630759 Posted on: 01/23/2019 07:54 PM
Cards are coming in february 15 or so i heard.
Cards are coming in february 15 or so i heard.
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#5630766 Posted on: 01/23/2019 08:02 PM
also this is ridiculous if true.
the 1660 is basically a refreshed 1060
and 3GB variant in 2019
Yeah, 3GB sounds stupid and as we know mr. Hilbert won't review anymore 3GB gfx cards variants
also this is ridiculous if true.
the 1660 is basically a refreshed 1060
and 3GB variant in 2019
Yeah, 3GB sounds stupid and as we know mr. Hilbert won't review anymore 3GB gfx cards variants
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#5630770 Posted on: 01/23/2019 08:07 PM
If those specs are correct then the plain 1660 is going to be quite interesting in that it'll highlight the generational difference between Pascal and Turing, as it's running the exact same core/memory configuration as the 1060.
If those specs are correct then the plain 1660 is going to be quite interesting in that it'll highlight the generational difference between Pascal and Turing, as it's running the exact same core/memory configuration as the 1060.
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#5630779 Posted on: 01/23/2019 08:22 PM
o_O Boy does NVIDIA love to confuse consumers
o_O Boy does NVIDIA love to confuse consumers
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#5630782 Posted on: 01/23/2019 08:30 PM
Whatever it is that the RTX GPUs actually do--I believe it to be a huge stretch to call it "ray tracing." It's sort of sad, but I read yesterday over on the Steam SOTTR forums several posts wondering when they were going to get the "ray-tracing patch"--and the sad thing is that many of these people believe it will dramatically change the entire look of every frame rendered...some of them say that the game sans the "RTX patch" looks like dog dung (sheesh!)! What visual changes, pray tell, do they imagine?...Makes you wonder... Oh, boy...what a disappointment they have coming! According to the CD info on that very subject, the only thing they are planning for the game is a shadows option for the RTX tensor cores (as I understand what they are doing) --wait--the option is "Screen space contact shadows," I believe. I'll be surprised if a difference is visually noticeable--and also be curious to see how much of a frame-rate penalty it imposes. AMD is wise beyond words not to market a GPU feature for which AMD itself is incapable of supplying a *real-time* demo of that feature actually working... ! (Not a compiled 2d video clip of how it *might look* should game developers figure out how to make it work one day in the distant future...! Aiyeee!) "It just works"...? Uh, no!...
*cough*
EDIT: Hard to say what is really going on with respect to that option. I turned it on for a SOTTR bench run--to High--and my average (@ 3840x2160) fps is 58; turned off the average is 62 fps. But visually I can see no difference.
Whatever it is that the RTX GPUs actually do--I believe it to be a huge stretch to call it "ray tracing." It's sort of sad, but I read yesterday over on the Steam SOTTR forums several posts wondering when they were going to get the "ray-tracing patch"--and the sad thing is that many of these people believe it will dramatically change the entire look of every frame rendered...some of them say that the game sans the "RTX patch" looks like dog dung (sheesh!)! What visual changes, pray tell, do they imagine?...Makes you wonder... Oh, boy...what a disappointment they have coming! According to the CD info on that very subject, the only thing they are planning for the game is a shadows option for the RTX tensor cores (as I understand what they are doing) --wait--the option is "Screen space contact shadows," I believe. I'll be surprised if a difference is visually noticeable--and also be curious to see how much of a frame-rate penalty it imposes. AMD is wise beyond words not to market a GPU feature for which AMD itself is incapable of supplying a *real-time* demo of that feature actually working... ! (Not a compiled 2d video clip of how it *might look* should game developers figure out how to make it work one day in the distant future...! Aiyeee!) "It just works"...? Uh, no!...
*cough*EDIT: Hard to say what is really going on with respect to that option. I turned it on for a SOTTR bench run--to High--and my average (@ 3840x2160) fps is 58; turned off the average is 62 fps. But visually I can see no difference.
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#5630810 Posted on: 01/23/2019 09:53 PM
I hope not. No one should review, recommend or buy a 3gb card in 2019.
Yeah, 3GB sounds stupid and as we know mr. Hilbert won't review anymore 3GB gfx cards variants
I hope not. No one should review, recommend or buy a 3gb card in 2019.
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#5630833 Posted on: 01/23/2019 11:07 PM
RTX is NVIDIA, but DirectX Raytracing (DXR) is a standardized API that any vendor can implement on top of DX12 - and that is what games leverage.
maybe but don't forget that RTX is nvidia's exclusive implementation.
RTX is NVIDIA, but DirectX Raytracing (DXR) is a standardized API that any vendor can implement on top of DX12 - and that is what games leverage.
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#5630840 Posted on: 01/23/2019 11:36 PM
That's right. DXR... that DXR that AMD said they won't support in the near future? that DXR that is only avaliable on windows 10 and DX 12?
it's not enough to push developers to actually adopt RTX, now ofc Nvidia will force "nicely" some developers to use RTX in exchange for ads, bundles and collaborations
but it won't make RTX wide spread.
look at BF1, Dice had to optimize it for weeks just to make sure you don't lose 50% of your performance, that's insane.
SOTR cancelled support for RTX after showing big performance losses.
I think BF1 is best case scenario for RTX. EA is a big and rich company. they use physical based rendering which works great with Ray tracing.
RTX is NVIDIA, but DirectX Raytracing (DXR) is a standardized API that any vendor can implement on top of DX12 - and that is what games leverage.
That's right. DXR... that DXR that AMD said they won't support in the near future? that DXR that is only avaliable on windows 10 and DX 12?
it's not enough to push developers to actually adopt RTX, now ofc Nvidia will force "nicely" some developers to use RTX in exchange for ads, bundles and collaborations
but it won't make RTX wide spread.
look at BF1, Dice had to optimize it for weeks just to make sure you don't lose 50% of your performance, that's insane.
SOTR cancelled support for RTX after showing big performance losses.
I think BF1 is best case scenario for RTX. EA is a big and rich company. they use physical based rendering which works great with Ray tracing.
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so RTX - high end, pricey.
no RTX - mid range, mass market.
why would any developer want to spend resources on Ray tracing now that its clear that the mass market won't support it....?