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Both Xbox and PlayStation to get eight-core AMD Jaguar CPU
New rumors indicate that both the Xbox Next and the PlayStation 4 "Orbis" consoles may be powered by an eight-core AMD Jaguar SoC. This chip has a relatively simple design, it should run cool and one of the benefits for Microsoft and Sony is that Jaguar should be relatively easy to manufactur at different foundries, as well as to shrink it to a smaller process node. Details about the graphic chip inside the next-gen consoles are still a mystery, but Sony's console will reportedly have a more powerful graphics engine than Microsoft's next Xbox. Further details about both consoles are expected later this year.
According to Eurogamer.net’s Digital Foundry, both Microsoft Xbox “Durango” and Sony PlayStation 4 “Orbis” are going to be based on highly-integrated system-on-chips featuring AMD Jaguar x86 64-bit cores. The SoCs are projected to be conservatively clocked at around 1.6GHz, which should ensure maximum possible yields as well as low temperature of multi-core solutions. Keeping in mind that video game consoles are designed to last for many years, it is possible that SoCs inside future PlayStation and Xbox will feature certain tweaks, optimizations and innovations that will not be available on personal computers for a while.
The idea to use AMD’s low-power/low-cost cores instead of high-performance x86 cores has both pros and cons. On the one hand, AMD’s Jaguar looks very promising on paper and has a number of advantages that may be especially valuable for game consoles, including 128-bit floating point unit (FPU) with enhancements and double-pumping to support 256-bit AVX instructions as well as an innovative integer unit with new hardware divider, larger schedulers and more out-of-order resources. On the other hand, AMD’s Jaguar is substantially behind the company’s high-end x86 cores when it comes to general-purpose performance and therefore some of the operations may take a long time to complete, unless there are not special-purpose accelerators integrated or the consoles will heavily rely on GPGPU [general-purpose computing using GPUs] technologies.
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#4507734 Posted on: 01/23/2013 10:54 AM
If they have the extra production capacity for it, then yes.
If they have to add another to the existing capacity, then it's a bit of a gamble.
If they have the extra production capacity for it, then yes.
If they have to add another to the existing capacity, then it's a bit of a gamble.
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#4507792 Posted on: 01/23/2013 01:38 PM
Exactly what I was thinking also....hope it turns out to be true...
If the rumors are true, the influx of cash from these consoles might just help AMD with their money issues.
Exactly what I was thinking also....hope it turns out to be true...
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#4507806 Posted on: 01/23/2013 01:59 PM
Yes, would be good if true! The big question is though, what GPU will the consoles use? An AMD GPU would certainly help AMD out even further! If the PS4 has a faster GPU, will the difference only be small (like a GPU core speed bump), or will it be rather large? If the latter is true, what will that mean for PC gamers in terms of console ports?
Yes, would be good if true! The big question is though, what GPU will the consoles use? An AMD GPU would certainly help AMD out even further! If the PS4 has a faster GPU, will the difference only be small (like a GPU core speed bump), or will it be rather large? If the latter is true, what will that mean for PC gamers in terms of console ports?
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#4507808 Posted on: 01/23/2013 02:01 PM
Another set of consoles with the word Jaguar in it...oh no...
Another set of consoles with the word Jaguar in it...oh no...
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#4507810 Posted on: 01/23/2013 02:07 PM
^Lol
I thought they were using AMD 6xxx GPU's, pretty sure I read that somewhere....
^Lol
Yes, would be good if true! The big question is though, what GPU will the consoles use? An AMD GPU would certainly help AMD out even further! If the PS4 has a faster GPU, will the difference only be small (like a GPU core speed bump), or will it be rather large? If the latter is true, what will that mean for PC gamers in terms of console ports?
I thought they were using AMD 6xxx GPU's, pretty sure I read that somewhere....
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#4507812 Posted on: 01/23/2013 02:10 PM
So basically it'll be down to brand preference rather than actual hardware? Altho I've never liked the Playstation controller so that might also play a role.
So basically it'll be down to brand preference rather than actual hardware? Altho I've never liked the Playstation controller so that might also play a role.
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#4507813 Posted on: 01/23/2013 02:15 PM
^Lol
I thought they were using AMD 6xxx GPU's, pretty sure I read that somewhere....
That's what I thought too
but the information hasn't been confirmed. That information was from around the same time as when the CPU's were thought to be AMD APU's. Since the CPU is different to that early information, it possibly means the GPU will be something different too, maybe even an AMD 8xxx GPU which would actually make sense (mid end).
^Lol
I thought they were using AMD 6xxx GPU's, pretty sure I read that somewhere....
That's what I thought too
but the information hasn't been confirmed. That information was from around the same time as when the CPU's were thought to be AMD APU's. Since the CPU is different to that early information, it possibly means the GPU will be something different too, maybe even an AMD 8xxx GPU which would actually make sense (mid end).
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#4507814 Posted on: 01/23/2013 02:22 PM
Naw, as the article says that Microshaft are going to be somehow stingier than Sony (I didn't know that was possible) and using an ever worse GPU.
So basically it'll be down to brand preference rather than actual hardware? Altho I've never liked the Playstation controller so that might also play a role.
Naw, as the article says that Microshaft are going to be somehow stingier than Sony (I didn't know that was possible) and using an ever worse GPU.
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#4507815 Posted on: 01/23/2013 02:27 PM
It depends on what they mean by a 'worse' GPU. The difference may not be that much.
It depends on what they mean by a 'worse' GPU. The difference may not be that much.
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#4507829 Posted on: 01/23/2013 03:04 PM
Will Crysis 3 run at a decent speed on the PS4?
Will Crysis 3 run at a decent speed on the PS4?
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#4507845 Posted on: 01/23/2013 03:25 PM
Alright let´s play some Jag!...
Do the math!
Alright let´s play some Jag!...
Do the math!
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#4507848 Posted on: 01/23/2013 03:28 PM
4.70% of entire AMD are Consoles + Professional graphics.
$80M of REVENUE for console royalties in 2012. is barely enough to keep Graphics Division afloat.
Now add say another $100M of revenue for 2013
(bulk of cash on Xbox360 was made AFTER several price cuts, but then again AMD should now supply both CPU and GPU),
and you are still far from filling the $1B+ revenue hole. So yes consoles will help, but they can't make or brake current AMD.
Financials aside, it will be exciting to see developers utilizing all 8 cores, 4GB+ RAM, tightly packed AMD architecture, overall benefits to image quality and repercussions of all this on Desktop and console ports.
If the rumors are true, the influx of cash from these consoles might just help AMD with their money issues.
4.70% of entire AMD are Consoles + Professional graphics.
$80M of REVENUE for console royalties in 2012. is barely enough to keep Graphics Division afloat.
Now add say another $100M of revenue for 2013
(bulk of cash on Xbox360 was made AFTER several price cuts, but then again AMD should now supply both CPU and GPU),
and you are still far from filling the $1B+ revenue hole. So yes consoles will help, but they can't make or brake current AMD.
Financials aside, it will be exciting to see developers utilizing all 8 cores, 4GB+ RAM, tightly packed AMD architecture, overall benefits to image quality and repercussions of all this on Desktop and console ports.
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#4507864 Posted on: 01/23/2013 03:45 PM
I thought it was confirmed that the GPU was going to be AMD based. Sony and MS seemed to have a problem with nvidia.
I thought it was confirmed that the GPU was going to be AMD based. Sony and MS seemed to have a problem with nvidia.
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#4507872 Posted on: 01/23/2013 04:00 PM
until you (didn't) read OP
I thought it was confirmed that the GPU was going to be AMD based.
until you (didn't) read OP
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If the rumors are true, the influx of cash from these consoles might just help AMD with their money issues.