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AMD Zen Enterprise Roadmap Shows 48-core CPUs in 2018
I'm not even sure where and how to begin with this information. But a slide-deck roadmap has leaked onto the web through the usual channels. The information in the slide-show reveals is rather gigantic.
The information based on the data-center thus enterprise segment, and is mentioning 14nm Naples With 32 Cores in 2017, a 7nm 48 Cores proc in 2018 – Zen 1 and Zen 2 Based Horned Own, Grey Hawk, Banded Kestrel and River Hawk CPUs. The AMD internal roadmap leaked reveals pretty much any AMD CPU that is available and will be available in the upcoming year or two.
The slides apparently dates back to February and includes proc overviews starting at 2016 running up-to 2018. For this timeframe obviously Naples With 32 Cores is up and coming for the enterprise market, but also 3 CPUs code-named A1100 ARM using ARM Cortex-A57 cores. Then there's Merlin Falcon using Excavator cores and a second Excavator based product called the Brown Falcon CPU.
| Enterprise Proc | AMD Snowy Owl | AMD Naples | AMD Starship |
|---|---|---|---|
| CPU Architecture | Zen 1 | Zen 1 | Zen 2 |
| Process Node | 14nm FinFET | 14nm FinFET | 7nm FinFET |
| Maximum Cores | 16 Cores | 32 Cores | 48 Cores |
| Maximum Threads | 32 Threads | 64 Threads | 96 Threads |
| Availability | Q2 2017 | Q2 2017 | 2018 |
Where your eyes will pop out though is slide 1, check the year 2018, where AMD has planned a 48 core server processor (that would be 96 threads) based on Zen 2 Cores. That product has code-name Starship, and would be based on 7nm Finfet. I do doubt that 7nm will be ready in 2018 though, especially with a product die this ginormous. TDPs would run anywhere from 30W up to 185W. Below the leaked slides, courtesy of Videocardz.
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#5430927 Posted on: 05/12/2017 08:39 AM
since ppl dont have to pay 1000$ for a 8 corre anymore, it will.
i' ve seen it with tv stuff,
b/w was standard for 40y, before color.
vcr was out for around 30y before the dvd replaced it.
not even 10y and we have the BD...
since ppl dont have to pay 1000$ for a 8 corre anymore, it will.
i' ve seen it with tv stuff,
b/w was standard for 40y, before color.
vcr was out for around 30y before the dvd replaced it.
not even 10y and we have the BD...
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#5430945 Posted on: 05/12/2017 09:25 AM
AMD is apparently very happy with Ryzen. Otherwise they would not plan 48-core chip already.
AMD is apparently very happy with Ryzen. Otherwise they would not plan 48-core chip already.
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#5430951 Posted on: 05/12/2017 09:50 AM
Nah, it doesn't take only a month or two to come up with a new CPU. The next generation is already being developed before the current one has even hit the store shelves. Although this time it's not just the CPU itself, also the 7nm process technology needs to work.
AMD is apparently very happy with Ryzen. Otherwise they would not plan 48-core chip already.
Nah, it doesn't take only a month or two to come up with a new CPU. The next generation is already being developed before the current one has even hit the store shelves. Although this time it's not just the CPU itself, also the 7nm process technology needs to work.
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#5430962 Posted on: 05/12/2017 10:57 AM
Isn´t this chip for servers where the software is already multi threaded and can use all the cores throw at them???
Because for normal users a 48 core cpu is a gigantic waste.
At this rate, software better get with the times with multi-threading support
Isn´t this chip for servers where the software is already multi threaded and can use all the cores throw at them???
Because for normal users a 48 core cpu is a gigantic waste.
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#5430963 Posted on: 05/12/2017 11:02 AM
7nm for next year? I'll hold on my upgrade then!
Oh boy, can't wait!
7nm for next year? I'll hold on my upgrade then!
Oh boy, can't wait!
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#5430974 Posted on: 05/12/2017 12:04 PM
7nm for next year? I'll hold on my upgrade then!
Oh boy, can't wait!
None of us know, how well will 7nm Chips clock. They may end up to be as strong in performance per thread even at lower clock. And have lower power consumption. But in total, they may not be upgrade in performance.
I am still waiting for properly working 3200MHz memories. And so, if current Ryzen takes too long, I may wait for next iteration. But 7nm is of no importance to me.
7nm for next year? I'll hold on my upgrade then!
Oh boy, can't wait!
None of us know, how well will 7nm Chips clock. They may end up to be as strong in performance per thread even at lower clock. And have lower power consumption. But in total, they may not be upgrade in performance.
I am still waiting for properly working 3200MHz memories. And so, if current Ryzen takes too long, I may wait for next iteration. But 7nm is of no importance to me.
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#5430978 Posted on: 05/12/2017 12:13 PM
None of us know, how well will 7nm Chips clock. They may end up to be as strong in performance per thread even at lower clock. And have lower power consumption. But in total, they may not be upgrade in performance.
I am still waiting for properly working 3200MHz memories. And so, if current Ryzen takes too long, I may wait for next iteration. But 7nm is of no importance to me.
If you have agood look thru the slides, it seems like the 7nm change is mostly for TDP purposes.
Current Zen won't drop below 15W TDP.
7nm is to drop to 4W.
I think i saw APU's drop to 35W max (4c/8t), instead of 65W for current 14nm.
looks good for future mobile chips.
None of us know, how well will 7nm Chips clock. They may end up to be as strong in performance per thread even at lower clock. And have lower power consumption. But in total, they may not be upgrade in performance.
I am still waiting for properly working 3200MHz memories. And so, if current Ryzen takes too long, I may wait for next iteration. But 7nm is of no importance to me.
If you have agood look thru the slides, it seems like the 7nm change is mostly for TDP purposes.
Current Zen won't drop below 15W TDP.
7nm is to drop to 4W.
I think i saw APU's drop to 35W max (4c/8t), instead of 65W for current 14nm.
looks good for future mobile chips.
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#5430994 Posted on: 05/12/2017 12:55 PM
Starship cpu at 48 cores amazing, I got 4 cores and does me fine this has to be for servers business centres, Hate to think how much these are gonna cost, I always space my systems out to 5 years then I upgrade at a reasonable price.
No game needs 48 cpu's or 96 at two way maybe bitcoin mining or very complicated algorhytms and stuff.
Starship cpu at 48 cores amazing, I got 4 cores and does me fine this has to be for servers business centres, Hate to think how much these are gonna cost, I always space my systems out to 5 years then I upgrade at a reasonable price.
No game needs 48 cpu's or 96 at two way maybe bitcoin mining or very complicated algorhytms and stuff.
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#5431003 Posted on: 05/12/2017 01:17 PM
Isn´t this chip for servers where the software is already multi threaded and can use all the cores throw at them???
Because for normal users a 48 core cpu is a gigantic waste.
Currently, yes it is a gigantic waste. But only, ONLY because software does not use multi-threads the way it should.
As to a 48 core being for server chips, as i read it, yes, but the fact of the matter is AMD HEDT system is almost guaranteed to be cheaper then Intels 8-core CPUs (at least the 12-core will be) and whose to say what will happen in 2018-2019. If Intel kicks theirselves into gear and decides to lower the cost and increase the core count of their CPUs due to AMD, we all win, and software makers won't feel multi-core optimizations are lost of the majority.
Isn´t this chip for servers where the software is already multi threaded and can use all the cores throw at them???
Because for normal users a 48 core cpu is a gigantic waste.
Currently, yes it is a gigantic waste. But only, ONLY because software does not use multi-threads the way it should.
As to a 48 core being for server chips, as i read it, yes, but the fact of the matter is AMD HEDT system is almost guaranteed to be cheaper then Intels 8-core CPUs (at least the 12-core will be) and whose to say what will happen in 2018-2019. If Intel kicks theirselves into gear and decides to lower the cost and increase the core count of their CPUs due to AMD, we all win, and software makers won't feel multi-core optimizations are lost of the majority.
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#5431014 Posted on: 05/12/2017 02:05 PM
I wonder if this means each CCX will move from 4 to 6 cores in 2018? The new version of the Ryzen 1800x would be a 12 core part?
I wonder if this means each CCX will move from 4 to 6 cores in 2018? The new version of the Ryzen 1800x would be a 12 core part?
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#5431031 Posted on: 05/12/2017 03:00 PM
At this rate, software better get with the times with multi-threading support
Isn´t this chip for servers where the software is already multi threaded and can use all the cores throw at them???
Because for normal users a 48 core cpu is a gigantic waste.
more than just servers use it. I got the 8-core amd bulldozer years and years ago and it was the best investment ever. animators need all the number crunching they can possibly get, and more (there is no limit to imagination. and we only get so much polygons/shadows/reflections/refractions/caustics/GI to work with). it brought my fluid dynamics simulations down from weeks to ... day. multithreading is taking off, where multi gpu is dying--just as I suspected. I ditched multi-gpu forever after it almost made me fail my animation classes with BSoDs.
but yes, not for the average user--until new security protocols and OS level operations and gaming demands it, software support, and prices come down. just like every other pc in history. it already is getting better
new APIs like directx12 and vulkan actually utilize all cp cores. so it--will be--used for gaming and everything. would be nice if they came up with some kind of wrapper for older stuff, though--but usually in that case 1 newer core is enough anyway.
anywhoo. I know when i'm buying my new PC!!! (2019. after the software updates that make it work correctly, and prices come down). but yeah... amd should "leak" more often. I am like already saving up. 48 cores in 2018 daaaayumn it's the future. Zen 2 Starship here I come
At this rate, software better get with the times with multi-threading support
Isn´t this chip for servers where the software is already multi threaded and can use all the cores throw at them???
Because for normal users a 48 core cpu is a gigantic waste.
more than just servers use it. I got the 8-core amd bulldozer years and years ago and it was the best investment ever. animators need all the number crunching they can possibly get, and more (there is no limit to imagination. and we only get so much polygons/shadows/reflections/refractions/caustics/GI to work with). it brought my fluid dynamics simulations down from weeks to ... day. multithreading is taking off, where multi gpu is dying--just as I suspected. I ditched multi-gpu forever after it almost made me fail my animation classes with BSoDs.
but yes, not for the average user--until new security protocols and OS level operations and gaming demands it, software support, and prices come down. just like every other pc in history. it already is getting better
new APIs like directx12 and vulkan actually utilize all cp cores. so it--will be--used for gaming and everything. would be nice if they came up with some kind of wrapper for older stuff, though--but usually in that case 1 newer core is enough anyway.
anywhoo. I know when i'm buying my new PC!!! (2019. after the software updates that make it work correctly, and prices come down). but yeah... amd should "leak" more often. I am like already saving up. 48 cores in 2018 daaaayumn it's the future. Zen 2 Starship here I come
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#5431035 Posted on: 05/12/2017 03:05 PM
Seeing that the roadmap puts 4-8 core Zen around 15-65W, and 32 core Zen was supposed to be out in H2 2016...
can we conclude that it's outdated?
Seeing that the roadmap puts 4-8 core Zen around 15-65W, and 32 core Zen was supposed to be out in H2 2016...
can we conclude that it's outdated?
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#5431182 Posted on: 05/12/2017 11:06 PM
Seeing that the roadmap puts 4-8 core Zen around 15-65W, and 32 core Zen was supposed to be out in H2 2016...
can we conclude that it's outdated?
It is. February 2016. Everything went down half a year at least. 14 nm Raven Ridge for notebooks is now planned for 2018...
Seeing that the roadmap puts 4-8 core Zen around 15-65W, and 32 core Zen was supposed to be out in H2 2016...
can we conclude that it's outdated?
It is. February 2016. Everything went down half a year at least. 14 nm Raven Ridge for notebooks is now planned for 2018...
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#5431183 Posted on: 05/12/2017 11:09 PM
Seeing that the roadmap puts 4-8 core Zen around 15-65W, and 32 core Zen was supposed to be out in H2 2016...
can we conclude that it's outdated?
EDIT: Redacted- I misinterpreted your statement.
Yes the roadmap slide is outdated, but roadmaps are always subject to change
Seeing that the roadmap puts 4-8 core Zen around 15-65W, and 32 core Zen was supposed to be out in H2 2016...
can we conclude that it's outdated?
EDIT: Redacted- I misinterpreted your statement.
Yes the roadmap slide is outdated, but roadmaps are always subject to change
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At this rate, software better get with the times with multi-threading support