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Gigabyte Aorus KD25F 240 Hz Monitor review
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Going from fast to faster, in this review, we will take a look at the Aorus KD25F gaming monitor. This 1920x1080 pixels sized monitor can do something very special and that would be refreshing at 240 Hz. Let's check out among the fastest monitors on the globe.
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The Edge
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Posted on: 07/26/2019 02:01 PM
I think that only a complete fool would buy a 1080p TN panel for this kind of money. Even if it was the best TN in the world.
I think that only a complete fool would buy a 1080p TN panel for this kind of money. Even if it was the best TN in the world.
Gavin Baillie
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Posted on: 07/26/2019 02:42 PM
Hi everyone first post here from a long time lurker! I have the ASUS PG258Q and its a lovely screen similar to the Aorus and I do like it but you need some serious hardware to drive it to get the best from it! I run a i9900k @ 5.1Ghz all core oc and using a 2080Ti FE @1080p 240Hz i play alot of games but mainly FPS titles and even at 1080p trying to get 240 fps constant in most titles is a pain in the rear! For example Fortnite i can get well in excess of 450 fps in that title in certain areas of the map but I have it capped to 240 fps to match the 240Hz and you can really feel the difference in the way it plays but I never thought I would be able to see the difference between my old PG279Q (2k 165Hz IPS) and my current PG258Q and at first I didnt it was only when i went back to the PG279Q that i felt it, and it felt really slow LOL! Having had the PG258Q for a while now would I recommend it? Yes hell of a screen but you need some serious hardware to drive it, if I was to buy another screen now I think I would go for one which has quality and depth to an image aswell as high refersh rate and I would choose the ASUS PG279Q every day! Sadly now though my son uses the PG279Q (as i would steal it back in a heart beat) and he loves it and I can see why its a great all rounder and with his rig i5 9600k 5Ghz all core oc and using a 1080 FE @2k 165Hz hes running 165 fps constant its perfect for him and fortnite!
Hi everyone first post here from a long time lurker! I have the ASUS PG258Q and its a lovely screen similar to the Aorus and I do like it but you need some serious hardware to drive it to get the best from it! I run a i9900k @ 5.1Ghz all core oc and using a 2080Ti FE @1080p 240Hz i play alot of games but mainly FPS titles and even at 1080p trying to get 240 fps constant in most titles is a pain in the rear! For example Fortnite i can get well in excess of 450 fps in that title in certain areas of the map but I have it capped to 240 fps to match the 240Hz and you can really feel the difference in the way it plays but I never thought I would be able to see the difference between my old PG279Q (2k 165Hz IPS) and my current PG258Q and at first I didnt it was only when i went back to the PG279Q that i felt it, and it felt really slow LOL! Having had the PG258Q for a while now would I recommend it? Yes hell of a screen but you need some serious hardware to drive it, if I was to buy another screen now I think I would go for one which has quality and depth to an image aswell as high refersh rate and I would choose the ASUS PG279Q every day! Sadly now though my son uses the PG279Q (as i would steal it back in a heart beat) and he loves it and I can see why its a great all rounder and with his rig i5 9600k 5Ghz all core oc and using a 1080 FE @2k 165Hz hes running 165 fps constant its perfect for him and fortnite!
NCC1701D
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Posted on: 07/26/2019 05:59 PM
Slippery slope with monitors. You start increasing your resolution and Hz rate, and then you just can't go back. Next your upgrading the rest of your rig to compensate. Ignorance is bliss people.
Slippery slope with monitors. You start increasing your resolution and Hz rate, and then you just can't go back. Next your upgrading the rest of your rig to compensate. Ignorance is bliss people.
Avalanche
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Posted on: 07/26/2019 06:04 PM
Hey Hilbert, would you consider doing input lag, blur, ghosting/overshoot and pixel transition tests in your monitor reviews? As someone who owns an Alienware AW2518HF, I have to say that those tests were much more valuable to me than color accuracy when I was looking for a 240hz monitor.
Not all 240hz monitors are created equal, and there are some in the market that actually CAN'T display 240 frames per second because the pixels don't completely change colors fast enough, creating smearing artifacts...
Hey Hilbert, would you consider doing input lag, blur, ghosting/overshoot and pixel transition tests in your monitor reviews? As someone who owns an Alienware AW2518HF, I have to say that those tests were much more valuable to me than color accuracy when I was looking for a 240hz monitor.
Not all 240hz monitors are created equal, and there are some in the market that actually CAN'T display 240 frames per second because the pixels don't completely change colors fast enough, creating smearing artifacts...
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Posted on: 07/26/2019 09:40 PM
@Hilbert Hagedoorn Freudian slip? "Aorus KD25F dies exactly what it's advertised for"
@IchimA I could see some people buying into this monitor but its going to be niche. For my own personal use I agree with you this not something I would spend this kind of money on. If we could get a high end 2K IPS panel with very good color accuracy with a 1000+ MiniLED backlight array I would jump on it.
@Hilbert Hagedoorn Freudian slip? "Aorus KD25F dies exactly what it's advertised for"
@IchimA I could see some people buying into this monitor but its going to be niche. For my own personal use I agree with you this not something I would spend this kind of money on. If we could get a high end 2K IPS panel with very good color accuracy with a 1000+ MiniLED backlight array I would jump on it.
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Posted on: 07/27/2019 07:21 AM
No, it takes investments for relatively little monitor reviews. Next, to that, the time I need to spend on monitor reviews is already absurd. You can easily spend 5 workdays on a review.
Hey Hilbert, would you consider doing input lag, blur, ghosting/overshoot and pixel transition tests in your monitor reviews?
No, it takes investments for relatively little monitor reviews. Next, to that, the time I need to spend on monitor reviews is already absurd. You can easily spend 5 workdays on a review.
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Posted on: 07/27/2019 08:20 AM
F**K 1080 imo
. This is my first post, love you Guru3d!
F**K 1080 imo
. This is my first post, love you Guru3d!
Fox2232
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Posted on: 07/27/2019 11:58 AM
Fool is one who thinks that viewing angles and total color gamut is everything while giving emphasis on TN properties.
My AW screen is TN. Color representation will never beat IPS like screens when it gets to static images. But once there is motion...
Like movies or games, I'll take that always reduced color granularity over seeing ghosts of last frame. And at that, no IPS can beat this "not so well colored TN".
But I can say that in comparison to my old BenQ 144Hz TN screen, my new one is like 75% closer to IPS in terms of viewing angles and color.
There is still color shift, and there is still possible to see gamma inversion. Except angles at which inversion starts are pretty unrealistic viewing angles.
Maybe it is because this particular screen is still 24'' 1080p (240Hz) and pixels are rather large... which is not an issue for me.
As for the asking price, I would have to agree. For that price tag I would expect Freesync2 and HDR. Other than that, monitor does not look bad.
I think that only a complete fool would buy a 1080p TN panel for this kind of money. Even if it was the best TN in the world.
Fool is one who thinks that viewing angles and total color gamut is everything while giving emphasis on TN properties.
My AW screen is TN. Color representation will never beat IPS like screens when it gets to static images. But once there is motion...
Like movies or games, I'll take that always reduced color granularity over seeing ghosts of last frame. And at that, no IPS can beat this "not so well colored TN".
But I can say that in comparison to my old BenQ 144Hz TN screen, my new one is like 75% closer to IPS in terms of viewing angles and color.
There is still color shift, and there is still possible to see gamma inversion. Except angles at which inversion starts are pretty unrealistic viewing angles.
Maybe it is because this particular screen is still 24'' 1080p (240Hz) and pixels are rather large... which is not an issue for me.
As for the asking price, I would have to agree. For that price tag I would expect Freesync2 and HDR. Other than that, monitor does not look bad.
gx-x
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Posted on: 07/27/2019 01:03 PM
Fool is one who thinks that viewing angles and total color gamut is everything while giving emphasis on TN properties.
My AW screen is TN. Color representation will never beat IPS like screens when it gets to static images. But once there is motion...
Like movies or games, I'll take that always reduced color granularity over seeing ghosts of last frame. And at that, no IPS can beat this "not so well colored TN".
But I can say that in comparison to my old BenQ 144Hz TN screen, my new one is like 75% closer to IPS in terms of viewing angles and color.
There is still color shift, and there is still possible to see gamma inversion. Except angles at which inversion starts are pretty unrealistic viewing angles.
Maybe it is because this particular screen is still 24'' 1080p (240Hz) and pixels are rather large... which is not an issue for me.
As for the asking price, I would have to agree. For that price tag I would expect Freesync2 and HDR. Other than that, monitor does not look bad.
Every IPS screen can show 24/25/30 frames per second without any problems or ghosting. Most TVs are IPS or VA panel based.
I have nothing against people that want to game on TN panels, but I do have a problem with misinformation that you tried to spread.
Fool is one who thinks that viewing angles and total color gamut is everything while giving emphasis on TN properties.
My AW screen is TN. Color representation will never beat IPS like screens when it gets to static images. But once there is motion...
Like movies or games, I'll take that always reduced color granularity over seeing ghosts of last frame. And at that, no IPS can beat this "not so well colored TN".
But I can say that in comparison to my old BenQ 144Hz TN screen, my new one is like 75% closer to IPS in terms of viewing angles and color.
There is still color shift, and there is still possible to see gamma inversion. Except angles at which inversion starts are pretty unrealistic viewing angles.
Maybe it is because this particular screen is still 24'' 1080p (240Hz) and pixels are rather large... which is not an issue for me.
As for the asking price, I would have to agree. For that price tag I would expect Freesync2 and HDR. Other than that, monitor does not look bad.
Every IPS screen can show 24/25/30 frames per second without any problems or ghosting. Most TVs are IPS or VA panel based.
I have nothing against people that want to game on TN panels, but I do have a problem with misinformation that you tried to spread.
Fox2232
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Posted on: 07/27/2019 01:14 PM
Every IPS screen can show 24/25/30 frames per second without any problems or ghosting. Most TVs are IPS or VA panel based.
I have nothing against people that want to game on TN panels, but I do have a problem with misinformation that you tried to spread.
It does have those problems. Even when playing 30fps content on 60Hz, there is still that borderline frame where transition happens. Showing same frame twice saves nothing. Therefore having 30fps has no effect on GtG time as content changes. Ghosting in motion is still present on 30 fps. I can reiterate it again in other words, if it is needed.
When you talk about TVs, you know about black frame insertion and why it is done. And you surely know why those TVs with lovely colors are showcased with static and vivid images.
Every IPS screen can show 24/25/30 frames per second without any problems or ghosting. Most TVs are IPS or VA panel based.
I have nothing against people that want to game on TN panels, but I do have a problem with misinformation that you tried to spread.
It does have those problems. Even when playing 30fps content on 60Hz, there is still that borderline frame where transition happens. Showing same frame twice saves nothing. Therefore having 30fps has no effect on GtG time as content changes. Ghosting in motion is still present on 30 fps. I can reiterate it again in other words, if it is needed.
When you talk about TVs, you know about black frame insertion and why it is done. And you surely know why those TVs with lovely colors are showcased with static and vivid images.
gx-x
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Posted on: 07/27/2019 01:39 PM
well, you must have the crappiest IPS ever made. I don't have those issues. Never did.You can go to tftcentral.co.uk/ an read any test/review and see everything precisely measured and shown, down to phase flicker and non of the tested monitors had the issues you are talking about. Basically, YOU would need to provide proof because you are making extraordinary claims.
...sigh...even this is not true. They all have either the same TV channel or demo video running. I haven't seen a store with TVs with static images as demo in over....well never really.
well, you must have the crappiest IPS ever made. I don't have those issues. Never did.You can go to tftcentral.co.uk/ an read any test/review and see everything precisely measured and shown, down to phase flicker and non of the tested monitors had the issues you are talking about. Basically, YOU would need to provide proof because you are making extraordinary claims.
And you surely know why those TVs with lovely colors are showcased with static and vivid images.
...sigh...even this is not true. They all have either the same TV channel or demo video running. I haven't seen a store with TVs with static images as demo in over....well never really.
When you talk about TVs, you know about black frame insertion and why it is done.
It's done for the same reason it would be done on a TN panel TV....Even OLED TVs have them, it's just better.
Karvapallo
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Posted on: 07/27/2019 02:17 PM
I totally understand, but..... People who buy these kind of monitors tend to be more interested about input lag, blur, ghosting/overshoot and pixel transition tests, not so much on anything else. So basicly you are leaving the most important things out for competetive gamers.
You can't say that this monitor is "super fast" without knowing how fast it is exactly. Being a super fast monitor and having super fast refresh rate are not the same thing.
No, it takes investments for relatively little monitor reviews. Next, to that, the time I need to spend on monitor reviews is already absurd. You can easily spend 5 workdays on a review.
I totally understand, but..... People who buy these kind of monitors tend to be more interested about input lag, blur, ghosting/overshoot and pixel transition tests, not so much on anything else. So basicly you are leaving the most important things out for competetive gamers.
You can't say that this monitor is "super fast" without knowing how fast it is exactly. Being a super fast monitor and having super fast refresh rate are not the same thing.
Fox2232
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Posted on: 07/27/2019 02:35 PM
well, you must have the crappiest IPS ever made. I don't have those issues. Never did.You can go to tftcentral.co.uk/ an read any test/review and see everything precisely measured and shown, down to phase flicker and non of the tested monitors had the issues you are talking about. Basically, YOU would need to provide proof because you are making extraordinary claims.
...sigh...even this is not true. They all have either the same TV channel or demo video running. I haven't seen a store with TVs with static images as demo in over....well never really.
It's done for the same reason it would be done on a TN panel TV....Even OLED TVs have them, it's just better.
Summarize that bold part for me, please. Or, I'll do it for you. GtG. At time it takes IPS to get mere GTG, not black-to-black, TN can show 3~4 frames. You are basically contesting my statement that IPS has ghosting. It does have it. (But, since you wrote about "issues", I expect you to write another one I mentioned.)
And motion... optimally slow motion to minimize visibility of any ghosting. Or minimal inclusion of high contrast zones.
3:30 is best guy could get out of it.
I can read moving text on my screen.
We can go on and on, but you are still going to be wrong. IPS's ghosting at same price is worse than ghosting on TN. Hell, even at double price on IPS. In this example, it is more than 3 times the price.
Edit: And just so everyone understands:
Having 120Hz IPS that shows ghosts forces brain to always process 2 frames at same time. (Never being sure if object moved in given direction or not, just assuming.)
Basically performance only marginally better than ghost-less 60Hz due to having more refreshes per second, but all motion is coming with confusing data.
well, you must have the crappiest IPS ever made. I don't have those issues. Never did.You can go to tftcentral.co.uk/ an read any test/review and see everything precisely measured and shown, down to phase flicker and non of the tested monitors had the issues you are talking about. Basically, YOU would need to provide proof because you are making extraordinary claims.
...sigh...even this is not true. They all have either the same TV channel or demo video running. I haven't seen a store with TVs with static images as demo in over....well never really.
It's done for the same reason it would be done on a TN panel TV....Even OLED TVs have them, it's just better.
Summarize that bold part for me, please. Or, I'll do it for you. GtG. At time it takes IPS to get mere GTG, not black-to-black, TN can show 3~4 frames. You are basically contesting my statement that IPS has ghosting. It does have it. (But, since you wrote about "issues", I expect you to write another one I mentioned.)
And motion... optimally slow motion to minimize visibility of any ghosting. Or minimal inclusion of high contrast zones.
3:30 is best guy could get out of it.
I can read moving text on my screen.
We can go on and on, but you are still going to be wrong. IPS's ghosting at same price is worse than ghosting on TN. Hell, even at double price on IPS. In this example, it is more than 3 times the price.
Edit: And just so everyone understands:
Having 120Hz IPS that shows ghosts forces brain to always process 2 frames at same time. (Never being sure if object moved in given direction or not, just assuming.)
Basically performance only marginally better than ghost-less 60Hz due to having more refreshes per second, but all motion is coming with confusing data.
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Posted on: 07/27/2019 04:22 PM
I totally understand, but..... People who buy these kind of monitors tend to be more interested about input lag, blur, ghosting/overshoot and pixel transition tests, not so much on anything else. So basicly you are leaving the most important things out for competetive gamers.
You can't say that this monitor is "super fast" without knowing how fast it is exactly. Being a super fast monitor and having super fast refresh rate are not the same thing.
Yeah, but there's other sites that do very in depth monitor reviews, it's up to the website in question whether they wanna spend loads of time & money on monitor reviews. The info is out there somewhere on the web if you want to find it.
I totally understand, but..... People who buy these kind of monitors tend to be more interested about input lag, blur, ghosting/overshoot and pixel transition tests, not so much on anything else. So basicly you are leaving the most important things out for competetive gamers.
You can't say that this monitor is "super fast" without knowing how fast it is exactly. Being a super fast monitor and having super fast refresh rate are not the same thing.
Yeah, but there's other sites that do very in depth monitor reviews, it's up to the website in question whether they wanna spend loads of time & money on monitor reviews. The info is out there somewhere on the web if you want to find it.
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Posted on: 07/29/2019 03:03 AM
MSi Optix AG32C is the best choice in 1080p resolution !
MSi Optix AG32C is the best choice in 1080p resolution !
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Posted on: 07/29/2019 03:16 AM
32"+1080p looks awful. I can literally count the pixels.
MSi Optix AG32C is the best choice in 1080p resolution !
32"+1080p looks awful. I can literally count the pixels.
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Posted on: 07/29/2019 09:32 AM
Fool is one who thinks that viewing angles and total color gamut is everything while giving emphasis on TN properties.
My AW screen is TN. Color representation will never beat IPS like screens when it gets to static images. But once there is motion...
Like movies or games, I'll take that always reduced color granularity over seeing ghosts of last frame. And at that, no IPS can beat this "not so well colored TN".
But I can say that in comparison to my old BenQ 144Hz TN screen, my new one is like 75% closer to IPS in terms of viewing angles and color.
There is still color shift, and there is still possible to see gamma inversion. Except angles at which inversion starts are pretty unrealistic viewing angles.
Maybe it is because this particular screen is still 24'' 1080p (240Hz) and pixels are rather large... which is not an issue for me.
As for the asking price, I would have to agree. For that price tag I would expect Freesync2 and HDR. Other than that, monitor does not look bad.
I was talking about the price of the panel, not about the qualities of TN. I own a 120Hz 1080p TN panel myself. But for 500€ ? 1080p is not enough, 24,5" is not enough (for the price, not for the res) and 240Hz is not something unheard of, that it would drive the cost up by hundreds of €.
Fool is one who thinks that viewing angles and total color gamut is everything while giving emphasis on TN properties.
My AW screen is TN. Color representation will never beat IPS like screens when it gets to static images. But once there is motion...
Like movies or games, I'll take that always reduced color granularity over seeing ghosts of last frame. And at that, no IPS can beat this "not so well colored TN".
But I can say that in comparison to my old BenQ 144Hz TN screen, my new one is like 75% closer to IPS in terms of viewing angles and color.
There is still color shift, and there is still possible to see gamma inversion. Except angles at which inversion starts are pretty unrealistic viewing angles.
Maybe it is because this particular screen is still 24'' 1080p (240Hz) and pixels are rather large... which is not an issue for me.
As for the asking price, I would have to agree. For that price tag I would expect Freesync2 and HDR. Other than that, monitor does not look bad.
I was talking about the price of the panel, not about the qualities of TN. I own a 120Hz 1080p TN panel myself. But for 500€ ? 1080p is not enough, 24,5" is not enough (for the price, not for the res) and 240Hz is not something unheard of, that it would drive the cost up by hundreds of €.
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As you said , monitor reviews are the hardest , as they are subjective and every persons has they'r own opinion . Personally this monitor cost to much for what it offers but hey ... maybe 1 or 3 persons will buy one.