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Corsair M65 RGB ELITE game mouse review
Posted by: on: 01/07/2019 09:00 PM [
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As Corsair releases a new FPS gamers mouse, we review the Corsair M65 RGB ELITE, the device is sturdy with an aluminum design, it's aesthetically pleasing with configurable RGB LEDs and has a grip that is intensely impressive. Not just that, Corsair includes an 18K DPI sensor and made the mouse tunable with an intricate weight system to match the mouse towards what you prefer. It might be one of the more impressive mouse’s we have tested to date.
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Robbo9999
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Posted on: 01/08/2019 07:23 AM
Laser sensor rather than optical sensor, I thought laser sensors were a think of the past due to their inherent acceleration issues - ie not 1 to 1 tracking with varied mouse movement speed, not flawless tracking. When I was looking into this about a year and a bit ago there were no laser mice with flawless tracking. Surprised gaming mice still made with laser sensors, unless they've got some improved sensors that offer the so called flawless tracking?
Laser sensor rather than optical sensor, I thought laser sensors were a think of the past due to their inherent acceleration issues - ie not 1 to 1 tracking with varied mouse movement speed, not flawless tracking. When I was looking into this about a year and a bit ago there were no laser mice with flawless tracking. Surprised gaming mice still made with laser sensors, unless they've got some improved sensors that offer the so called flawless tracking?
HeavyHemi
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Posted on: 01/08/2019 07:37 AM
What do you mean? They are all optical CMOS sensors. What 'inherent acceleration issue'?
https://www.pcgamer.com/gaming-mouse-myths-busted/
Laser sensor rather than optical sensor, I thought laser sensors were a think of the past due to their inherent acceleration issues - ie not 1 to 1 tracking with varied mouse movement speed, not flawless tracking. When I was looking into this about a year and a bit ago there were no laser mice with flawless tracking. Surprised gaming mice still made with laser sensors, unless they've got some improved sensors that offer the so called flawless tracking?
What do you mean? They are all optical CMOS sensors. What 'inherent acceleration issue'?
https://www.pcgamer.com/gaming-mouse-myths-busted/
Robbo9999
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Posted on: 01/08/2019 07:55 AM
What do you mean? They are all optical CMOS sensors. What 'inherent acceleration issue'?
https://www.pcgamer.com/gaming-mouse-myths-busted/
I've seen testing of various mice, both so called laser mice & optical mice, and none of the laser mice have ever met the grade for 'perfect flawless tracking', ie no acceleration or another way to describe it, "flawless tracking" = "1 to 1 tracking". It doesn't matter how you dress up the terminology of what constitutes a "laser" or "optical" description, it's just based on actual tests that these conclusions re acceleration with laser mice have been drawn. And acceleration is not a myth, it happens. At the link at the end of my post they explain differences between laser & optical with regard to acceleration, and this is the passage quoted:
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"2.3 Laser and optical sensor
You will find that many mice are being advertized as being either laser or optical sensor mice. Obviously, this refers to the way the sensor detects movement of the mouse. Essentially, both laser and optical mice work very similarly. The main difference is the method that is used to illuminate the area under the sensor. With optical mice, this is done through the use of a light emitting diode (LED). Laser mice instead use an infrared laser diode to illuminate the surface under the sensor. The more interesting thing is the difference between the performance of laser and optical mice. Laser mice use a newer technology and are typically capable of attaining a higher DPI. For these two reasons people often incorrectly assume that laser sensors are superior.
When it comes to the sensor being able to track well on a surface, there are differences between the two, but one is not strictly better than the other. Laser sensors track better on some surfaces (like glass) while optical sensors track better on others (typically, cloth mousepads). Where the laser sensors lose out to the optical sensors is when it comes to accuracy and reliability. While the newer laser sensors manage to avoid prediction, the popular Avago laser sensors (9500, 9800) found in many modern mice all suffer from acceleration issues. Furthermore, while these sensor have a very high malfunction speed, their maximum perfect tracking speed is actually lower than that of the typical optical sensor. Another frequently used laser sensor, the Philips twin eye sensor, uses a different method to register mouse-movement. It actually does not have any acceleration issues, but introduces a problem when lifting the mouse, commonly referred to as a z-axis problem. The cursor moves when the mouse is lifted, which creates a problem for people who lift the mouse frequently with the intention of having the sensor stop its tracking.
One thing that is worth pointing out is that even when mice use the same sensor, that does not mean they have identical tracking characteristics. Different manufacturers implement sensors in a different way. Take the Avago 3090 sensor for example. Due to the specific implementation of it, we see it in mice that have some of the lowest lift of distances, and in mice that have some of the highest lift of distances on the market. Additionally, we see that the max perfect tracking speed differs across mice using this same sensor."
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With the upsurgence of optical gaming mice just a few years ago that was the first time that acceleration issues were effectively eradicated. This is one website with related info:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=56240.0
What do you mean? They are all optical CMOS sensors. What 'inherent acceleration issue'?
https://www.pcgamer.com/gaming-mouse-myths-busted/
I've seen testing of various mice, both so called laser mice & optical mice, and none of the laser mice have ever met the grade for 'perfect flawless tracking', ie no acceleration or another way to describe it, "flawless tracking" = "1 to 1 tracking". It doesn't matter how you dress up the terminology of what constitutes a "laser" or "optical" description, it's just based on actual tests that these conclusions re acceleration with laser mice have been drawn. And acceleration is not a myth, it happens. At the link at the end of my post they explain differences between laser & optical with regard to acceleration, and this is the passage quoted:
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"2.3 Laser and optical sensor
You will find that many mice are being advertized as being either laser or optical sensor mice. Obviously, this refers to the way the sensor detects movement of the mouse. Essentially, both laser and optical mice work very similarly. The main difference is the method that is used to illuminate the area under the sensor. With optical mice, this is done through the use of a light emitting diode (LED). Laser mice instead use an infrared laser diode to illuminate the surface under the sensor. The more interesting thing is the difference between the performance of laser and optical mice. Laser mice use a newer technology and are typically capable of attaining a higher DPI. For these two reasons people often incorrectly assume that laser sensors are superior.
When it comes to the sensor being able to track well on a surface, there are differences between the two, but one is not strictly better than the other. Laser sensors track better on some surfaces (like glass) while optical sensors track better on others (typically, cloth mousepads). Where the laser sensors lose out to the optical sensors is when it comes to accuracy and reliability. While the newer laser sensors manage to avoid prediction, the popular Avago laser sensors (9500, 9800) found in many modern mice all suffer from acceleration issues. Furthermore, while these sensor have a very high malfunction speed, their maximum perfect tracking speed is actually lower than that of the typical optical sensor. Another frequently used laser sensor, the Philips twin eye sensor, uses a different method to register mouse-movement. It actually does not have any acceleration issues, but introduces a problem when lifting the mouse, commonly referred to as a z-axis problem. The cursor moves when the mouse is lifted, which creates a problem for people who lift the mouse frequently with the intention of having the sensor stop its tracking.
One thing that is worth pointing out is that even when mice use the same sensor, that does not mean they have identical tracking characteristics. Different manufacturers implement sensors in a different way. Take the Avago 3090 sensor for example. Due to the specific implementation of it, we see it in mice that have some of the lowest lift of distances, and in mice that have some of the highest lift of distances on the market. Additionally, we see that the max perfect tracking speed differs across mice using this same sensor."
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With the upsurgence of optical gaming mice just a few years ago that was the first time that acceleration issues were effectively eradicated. This is one website with related info:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=56240.0
999Anticlock9wiSe
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Posted on: 01/08/2019 09:21 AM
lot of drivel above.
lot of drivel above.
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Nice review. I may have to go see if I can find one of these to try since you mentioned it's size. I have fairly large hands it seems since all of the mice made today are too small and uncomfortable for me. I'm still using a Microsoft Sidewinder gaming mouse because it is so comfortable in my hand.