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AMD Athlon 3000G review
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Looking for an affordable processor that will cover your browsing needs including an integrated graphics unit?, hey, AMD might just have the perfect value proc available. The Athlon series is ongoing, and we review the new Athlon 3000G.
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Undying
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Posted on: 12/03/2019 12:43 PM
Its not offering any significant improvement over 200g. Maybe when 4000g comes next year with zen2 and navi things could improve.
Its not offering any significant improvement over 200g. Maybe when 4000g comes next year with zen2 and navi things could improve.
asturur
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Posted on: 12/03/2019 01:28 PM
i m looking for my new mame cpu. I'm waiting for the ryzen 2 based APU a lot.
i m looking for my new mame cpu. I'm waiting for the ryzen 2 based APU a lot.
rl66
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Posted on: 12/03/2019 02:40 PM
Very nice CPU for someone who only uses his PC for browsing, office and media.
What about the included cooler? How much noise under load?
I don't know this one but my Athlon GE were with the worse and noisier cooler i have seen since year.
On other hand a new total passive cooler with lot of place for OC cost only 12 Euro... Better cooling, better look, zero noise.
Its not offering any significant improvement over 200g. Maybe when 4000g comes next year with zen2 and navi things could improve.
The only improvement is the ability to OC it, but most motherboard can OC the not overclockable CPU.
Just take a look at your bios description, on my MSI only the latest have "remove the hability to OC Athlon 2** GE due to AMD's demand" i stay with old then
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Very nice review Hilbert
But i wonder is the PCIe config are still NVMe X2 and PCIE X4?
Very nice CPU for someone who only uses his PC for browsing, office and media.
What about the included cooler? How much noise under load?
I don't know this one but my Athlon GE were with the worse and noisier cooler i have seen since year.
On other hand a new total passive cooler with lot of place for OC cost only 12 Euro... Better cooling, better look, zero noise.
Its not offering any significant improvement over 200g. Maybe when 4000g comes next year with zen2 and navi things could improve.
The only improvement is the ability to OC it, but most motherboard can OC the not overclockable CPU.
Just take a look at your bios description, on my MSI only the latest have "remove the hability to OC Athlon 2** GE due to AMD's demand" i stay with old then
.Very nice review Hilbert
But i wonder is the PCIe config are still NVMe X2 and PCIE X4?
Kaarme
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Posted on: 12/03/2019 04:21 PM
Trying to decide between this and 3700x for my next PC. Maybe I will go for the 3700x. I can't imagine I'd have any use for all the power this CPU offers. I also have a separate video card, as old as it is, so no need to pay the considerable extra for the monster Vega iGPU in this.
Trying to decide between this and 3700x for my next PC. Maybe I will go for the 3700x. I can't imagine I'd have any use for all the power this CPU offers. I also have a separate video card, as old as it is, so no need to pay the considerable extra for the monster Vega iGPU in this.
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Posted on: 12/03/2019 04:35 PM
I am so confused. That's like saying "I'm thinking of buying or " as though they're at all comparable lol.
The 3000G appeals to those with a tight budget or tight working constraints (like limited airflow or an embedded system). The 3700X fits neither of those - that's for mid-range workstations.
Also, why get the 3700X if you don't think you'll use all of its power? Why not get a 3600, which will cost less and isn't overkill? Since you don't seem to care whether it's Zen+ or Zen2, why not get the 2700 at nearly half the price of the 3700X?
Trying to decide between this and 3700x for my next PC. Maybe I will go for the 3700x. I can't imagine I'd have any use for all the power this CPU offers. I also have a separate video card, as old as it is, so no need to pay the considerable extra for the monster Vega iGPU in this.
I am so confused. That's like saying "I'm thinking of buying
The 3000G appeals to those with a tight budget or tight working constraints (like limited airflow or an embedded system). The 3700X fits neither of those - that's for mid-range workstations.
Also, why get the 3700X if you don't think you'll use all of its power? Why not get a 3600, which will cost less and isn't overkill? Since you don't seem to care whether it's Zen+ or Zen2, why not get the 2700 at nearly half the price of the 3700X?
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Posted on: 12/03/2019 05:25 PM
what Schmidtbag said also note that there are cases the 1200/1400/1500 / 1600 x and non x versions can be found for low low prices even new considering the 3000g and the 3700x unable to decide pretty much you are aiming for the performance bracket of any cpu was released last 2 years ^^
Trying to decide between this and 3700x for my next PC. Maybe I will go for the 3700x. I can't imagine I'd have any use for all the power this CPU offers. I also have a separate video card, as old as it is, so no need to pay the considerable extra for the monster Vega iGPU in this.
what Schmidtbag said also note that there are cases the 1200/1400/1500 / 1600 x and non x versions can be found for low low prices even new considering the 3000g and the 3700x unable to decide pretty much you are aiming for the performance bracket of any cpu was released last 2 years ^^
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Posted on: 12/03/2019 07:05 PM
Will this be a good upgrade for my fx4300?
I don't game anymore on pc.
Also going from 8gb of DDR3 to 16gb of DDR4 then.
Will this be a good upgrade for my fx4300?
I don't game anymore on pc.
Also going from 8gb of DDR3 to 16gb of DDR4 then.
Kaarme
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Posted on: 12/03/2019 08:07 PM
@schmidtbag @Venix I was just joking, guys. Maybe I used pronouns too much, making the post confusing and the joke lost. My gamer's obsolete Intel 6600K is still more powerful than this Athlon 3000G. I didn't try to say I'd have no use for Ryzen 3700x, though most of the day I wouldn't, but since the next consoles will be 8/16 systems, I consider it the safest bet since I plan to stick to it for many years. I suppose reencoding my videos would also speed up, which would be nice.
@schmidtbag @Venix I was just joking, guys. Maybe I used pronouns too much, making the post confusing and the joke lost. My gamer's obsolete Intel 6600K is still more powerful than this Athlon 3000G. I didn't try to say I'd have no use for Ryzen 3700x, though most of the day I wouldn't, but since the next consoles will be 8/16 systems, I consider it the safest bet since I plan to stick to it for many years. I suppose reencoding my videos would also speed up, which would be nice.
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Posted on: 12/03/2019 08:35 PM
lol ah ok. Re-reading what you said, it makes much more sense. When you said "I can't imagine I'd have any use for all the power this CPU offers" I thought you were referring to the 3700X, because if the 3000G was sufficient then yeah, it would actually make sense to wonder what you'd need all that extra power for lol.
I had a feeling I wasn't understanding something right, or that maybe you had a typo.
@schmidtbag @Venix I was just joking, guys. Maybe I used pronouns too much, making the post confusing and the joke lost. My gamer's obsolete Intel 6600K is still more powerful than this Athlon 3000G. I didn't try to say I'd have no use for Ryzen 3700x, though most of the day I wouldn't, but since the next consoles will be 8/16 systems, I consider it the safest bet since I plan to stick to it for many years. I suppose reencoding my videos would also speed up, which would be nice.
lol ah ok. Re-reading what you said, it makes much more sense. When you said "I can't imagine I'd have any use for all the power this CPU offers" I thought you were referring to the 3700X, because if the 3000G was sufficient then yeah, it would actually make sense to wonder what you'd need all that extra power for lol.
I had a feeling I wasn't understanding something right, or that maybe you had a typo.
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Posted on: 12/03/2019 09:06 PM
Is there some good reason why one wouldn't make... Let's say 3c 6t cpu? At that price point or even like 60 moneys it would be kick ass and probably as easy to produce since the chips probably have way more usable cores than 2 anyways. I remember AMD had some 3 core cpus at some point, but there were some issues... right?
Is there some good reason why one wouldn't make... Let's say 3c 6t cpu? At that price point or even like 60 moneys it would be kick ass and probably as easy to produce since the chips probably have way more usable cores than 2 anyways. I remember AMD had some 3 core cpus at some point, but there were some issues... right?
rl66
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Posted on: 12/03/2019 11:57 PM
Will this be a good upgrade for my fx4300?
I don't game anymore on pc.
Also going from 8gb of DDR3 to 16gb of DDR4 then.
It's a much modern CPU, but same or less powerfull... My Athlon 2** GE replace a Pentium G3258 and i am (really) happy with the gain for money of this computer.
The gain will be on the memory and the much modern plateform.
Don't go with the A320 chipset, the B450 is the minimum to have a good experience with this CPU (and price A320 Vs B450 will be the same).
Will this be a good upgrade for my fx4300?
I don't game anymore on pc.
Also going from 8gb of DDR3 to 16gb of DDR4 then.
It's a much modern CPU, but same or less powerfull... My Athlon 2** GE replace a Pentium G3258 and i am (really) happy with the gain for money of this computer.
The gain will be on the memory and the much modern plateform.
Don't go with the A320 chipset, the B450 is the minimum to have a good experience with this CPU (and price A320 Vs B450 will be the same).
Venix
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Posted on: 12/04/2019 12:10 AM
Haha i see ,well i guess i should be reading more carefully to read better behind the lines in the future :p . And yes your 6600 leaves the 3000g in smokes.
@Youkinen yes they had phenom 1/2 and athlons and some would say the fx6xxx where 3 core....others will say 3 modules 6 cores ...., so far it seems the ccx's on the ryzen and ryzen+ configuration work only in equal pairs so 1+1 2+2 3+3 4+4 from the leaked presentation it appears that is not a limit anymore on ryzen 2 thought so we might see that but i doubt it .
@schmidtbag @Venix I was just joking, guys. Maybe I used pronouns too much, making the post confusing and the joke lost. My gamer's obsolete Intel 6600K is still more powerful than this Athlon 3000G. I didn't try to say I'd have no use for Ryzen 3700x, though most of the day I wouldn't, but since the next consoles will be 8/16 systems, I consider it the safest bet since I plan to stick to it for many years. I suppose reencoding my videos would also speed up, which would be nice.
Haha i see ,well i guess i should be reading more carefully to read better behind the lines in the future :p . And yes your 6600 leaves the 3000g in smokes.
@Youkinen yes they had phenom 1/2 and athlons and some would say the fx6xxx where 3 core....others will say 3 modules 6 cores ...., so far it seems the ccx's on the ryzen and ryzen+ configuration work only in equal pairs so 1+1 2+2 3+3 4+4 from the leaked presentation it appears that is not a limit anymore on ryzen 2 thought so we might see that but i doubt it .
rl66
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Posted on: 12/04/2019 12:13 AM
The AMD 3 cores were defective 4 cores with 1 core disabled... most of the problem were from that point, it wasn't build as a 3 cores.
On that segment you have a lot of 2 cores CPU, most of them with 2c/4t, that perform very well.
Even if, as an exemple, some game need 4c CPU as a minimum, i was able to run them without much issue on my old Pentium G3258 2c/2t (it impress me a lot), why have more core that consume more and need more limitation like 4c/8t running in 2c/2t in idle like intel ultra low TDP line? even more at that low price.
Is there some good reason why one wouldn't make... Let's say 3c 6t cpu? At that price point or even like 60 moneys it would be kick ass and probably as easy to produce since the chips probably have way more usable cores than 2 anyways. I remember AMD had some 3 core cpus at some point, but there were some issues... right?
The AMD 3 cores were defective 4 cores with 1 core disabled... most of the problem were from that point, it wasn't build as a 3 cores.
On that segment you have a lot of 2 cores CPU, most of them with 2c/4t, that perform very well.
Even if, as an exemple, some game need 4c CPU as a minimum, i was able to run them without much issue on my old Pentium G3258 2c/2t (it impress me a lot), why have more core that consume more and need more limitation like 4c/8t running in 2c/2t in idle like intel ultra low TDP line? even more at that low price.
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Posted on: 12/04/2019 12:36 AM
Not impressed with the FARCRY 5 results. A patch came out a few days ago for the missing CPU SSE instruction set and my Phenom X4 965BE at 3.7GHZ, 8GB DDR2 Ram ( yes DDR2) RX560 4GB, Windows 7 & an old school 1TB mechanical hard drive on ULTRA settings at 1080P was 37-45FPS!
Not impressed with the FARCRY 5 results. A patch came out a few days ago for the missing CPU SSE instruction set and my Phenom X4 965BE at 3.7GHZ, 8GB DDR2 Ram ( yes DDR2) RX560 4GB, Windows 7 & an old school 1TB mechanical hard drive on ULTRA settings at 1080P was 37-45FPS!
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Posted on: 12/04/2019 07:08 AM
I always use to have 2 computers , but times have been hard. If i was to build a little backup computer this chip would be my choice and a BitFenix Prodigy Mini-ITX Cube Case. I miss that little setup
I always use to have 2 computers , but times have been hard. If i was to build a little backup computer this chip would be my choice and a BitFenix Prodigy Mini-ITX Cube Case. I miss that little setup
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Posted on: 12/04/2019 07:19 AM
Redefining value again AMD , aren't you?
Redefining value again AMD , aren't you?
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Posted on: 12/04/2019 09:51 AM
There is a lot of OC potential for the integrated graphics not included in the review, something like 50% more.
There is a lot of OC potential for the integrated graphics not included in the review, something like 50% more.
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Posted on: 12/04/2019 10:49 AM
while that's a good result for the phenom 2 still the phenom is a 4 core 4 thread cpu while the athlon is 2 core 4 thread cpu ! To see how well the phenom fairs against it we will need a 2080ti on your phenom to see the actual difference the bottleneck on your case might even be the 560 or it might be the phenom . Cheers to em though ! i was not expecting em to release a patch to support phenoms and core 2 quads . looking at HH's review https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/far-cry-5-pc-graphics-performance-benchmark-review,4.html seems that your gpu is the bottleneck
no 560 in it ...but there is a 460 that would explain the little higher numbers you get . How's the cpu and gpu utilisation if the cpu is 80~90% and the gpu at 100% they would be a perfect match but that changes from game to game how's your experience in general on that front ?
sorry for the long blab ... i just find it interesting really
Not impressed with the FARCRY 5 results. A patch came out a few days ago for the missing CPU SSE instruction set and my Phenom X4 965BE at 3.7GHZ, 8GB DDR2 Ram ( yes DDR2) RX560 4GB, Windows 7 & an old school 1TB mechanical hard drive on ULTRA settings at 1080P was 37-45FPS!
while that's a good result for the phenom 2 still the phenom is a 4 core 4 thread cpu while the athlon is 2 core 4 thread cpu ! To see how well the phenom fairs against it we will need a 2080ti on your phenom to see the actual difference the bottleneck on your case might even be the 560 or it might be the phenom . Cheers to em though ! i was not expecting em to release a patch to support phenoms and core 2 quads . looking at HH's review https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/far-cry-5-pc-graphics-performance-benchmark-review,4.html seems that your gpu is the bottleneck
no 560 in it ...but there is a 460 that would explain the little higher numbers you get . How's the cpu and gpu utilisation if the cpu is 80~90% and the gpu at 100% they would be a perfect match but that changes from game to game how's your experience in general on that front ?
sorry for the long blab ... i just find it interesting really
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Posted on: 12/04/2019 12:05 PM
Ok,2c4t Cpu,but why not challenge this Athlon against Intel Pentiums and Celerons?Just asking .
They better put Athlon 4c4t at 49$ and thats it with Athlon series.
Ok,2c4t Cpu,but why not challenge this Athlon against Intel Pentiums and Celerons?Just asking .
They better put Athlon 4c4t at 49$ and thats it with Athlon series.
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Posted on: 12/04/2019 12:19 PM
while that's a good result for the phenom 2 still the phenom is a 4 core 4 thread cpu while the athlon is 2 core 4 thread cpu ! To see how well the phenom fairs against it we will need a 2080ti on your phenom to see the actual difference the bottleneck on your case might even be the 560 or it might be the phenom . Cheers to em though ! i was not expecting em to release a patch to support phenoms and core 2 quads . looking at HH's review https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/far-cry-5-pc-graphics-performance-benchmark-review,4.html seems that your gpu is the bottleneck
no 560 in it ...but there is a 460 that would explain the little higher numbers you get . How's the cpu and gpu utilisation if the cpu is 80~90% and the gpu at 100% they would be a perfect match but that changes from game to game how's your experience in general on that front ?
sorry for the long blab ... i just find it interesting really
I thought the bottleneck would be the DDR2 Ram................ To make this post more interesting is that my RX560 card has drivers from 2-3 years ago and they are
17.10.1 !!!!!!!
Also I have extra juice because the card has a 6 pin power connector and even though it sucks a lot of juice I do have the GDDR5 4GB over clocked pretty dam high and also the GPU. What's funny is that FARCRY4 is a stutter fest and gave up playing it. FAR CRY5 is one of the most optimized games I have ever played.
while that's a good result for the phenom 2 still the phenom is a 4 core 4 thread cpu while the athlon is 2 core 4 thread cpu ! To see how well the phenom fairs against it we will need a 2080ti on your phenom to see the actual difference the bottleneck on your case might even be the 560 or it might be the phenom . Cheers to em though ! i was not expecting em to release a patch to support phenoms and core 2 quads . looking at HH's review https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/far-cry-5-pc-graphics-performance-benchmark-review,4.html seems that your gpu is the bottleneck
no 560 in it ...but there is a 460 that would explain the little higher numbers you get . How's the cpu and gpu utilisation if the cpu is 80~90% and the gpu at 100% they would be a perfect match but that changes from game to game how's your experience in general on that front ?
sorry for the long blab ... i just find it interesting really
I thought the bottleneck would be the DDR2 Ram................ To make this post more interesting is that my RX560 card has drivers from 2-3 years ago and they are
17.10.1 !!!!!!!
Also I have extra juice because the card has a 6 pin power connector and even though it sucks a lot of juice I do have the GDDR5 4GB over clocked pretty dam high and also the GPU. What's funny is that FARCRY4 is a stutter fest and gave up playing it. FAR CRY5 is one of the most optimized games I have ever played.
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Posted on: 12/04/2019 12:26 PM
Anyone who's buying this for gaming really shouldn't be gaming on a PC. It can game, barely.
That said, what a fantastic little CPU. It's $50 and it even has a built in GPU. I'm not sure why anyone would buy this and overclock it but it's neat that you could. Next time I have to build a budget rig, this is on the short list.
Anyone who's buying this for gaming really shouldn't be gaming on a PC. It can game, barely.
That said, what a fantastic little CPU. It's $50 and it even has a built in GPU. I'm not sure why anyone would buy this and overclock it but it's neat that you could. Next time I have to build a budget rig, this is on the short list.
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Posted on: 12/04/2019 03:04 PM
@Dimitrios1983 i would not worry ddr2 to be any meaningful bottleneck not till you get on higher performing surgements at the very least , while faster ram can give an advantage i,mid range spec hardware or lower as far it is sufficient to feed the subsystems that using it faster ram will make little to no difference! I mean even ddr4 @4000 assuming you could pair that with the phenom for the shake of the argument if your 560 is already maxed out will give you not noteworthy fps gain .....well at least that's my perception !
@0blivious why not ? Seems to be doing great on league of legends cs go and fortnight and will pretty much run almost everything that predates 2017 60fps locked ,Gaming is not only the latest AAA games maxed out !
@Dimitrios1983 i would not worry ddr2 to be any meaningful bottleneck not till you get on higher performing surgements at the very least , while faster ram can give an advantage i,mid range spec hardware or lower as far it is sufficient to feed the subsystems that using it faster ram will make little to no difference! I mean even ddr4 @4000 assuming you could pair that with the phenom for the shake of the argument if your 560 is already maxed out will give you not noteworthy fps gain .....well at least that's my perception !
@0blivious why not ? Seems to be doing great on league of legends cs go and fortnight and will pretty much run almost everything that predates 2017 60fps locked ,Gaming is not only the latest AAA games maxed out !
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Posted on: 12/04/2019 03:46 PM
Can someone please suggest a cheap yet nice motherboard to go along with this CPU?
Cheers
Can someone please suggest a cheap yet nice motherboard to go along with this CPU?
Cheers
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Posted on: 12/04/2019 05:34 PM
It's always interesting to see the iGPU in a $50 processor outperforming the one in an i7-8700k. Intel made huge iGPU improvements on the 5th gen Broadwells, but I guess there was little incentive to continue that trend.
It's always interesting to see the iGPU in a $50 processor outperforming the one in an i7-8700k. Intel made huge iGPU improvements on the 5th gen Broadwells, but I guess there was little incentive to continue that trend.
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Very nice CPU for someone who only uses his PC for browsing, office and media.
What about the included cooler? How much noise under load?