Hats off to ZOtac for releasing such compact card. This is exactly why i bought an nvidia card cos the AIBs can release decent compact cards. AMD LEARN FROM THIS. LEARN!!!!!!!!! SHEEEKO!!!!!!

[spoiler]http://www.pcgameshardware.de/screenshots/1020x/2015/06/AMD_Fiji_Praesentation_19-pcgh.png[/spoiler] is smaller

smaller but also performs nowhere near that 1080.

??? Nano along with Fury X is the highest performing AMD single chip solution since 2015 He based his argument solely on size... He said he bought NVIDIA because of the smaller size and critizised AMD (not even the AIB manufacturers...) as if AMD choses which after market vendors do and do not decide to produce mini formats of their boards. If he argues with size, I showed him the highest tier AMD card which is smaller than this Zotac Mini. If instead had argued with highest peak performance, he wouldn't even have to mention size at all. But in size, AMD is smaller even with their reference solution here. So.... in other words. There is not a single AMD card (smaller or larger) that has the performance of a 1080 at the moment. But that was not the point at all. :bang:

You are truly one sided. Of course performance matters, nobody buys gpus just for the size. Btw, this is smaller than the Nano http://www.ebuyer.com/761121-zotac-geforce-gtx-1050-ti-mini-4gb-gddr5-dvi-d-hdmi-displayport-pci-e-zt-p10510a-10l?mkwid=sWA3N2WiH_dc&pcrid=51630194939&pkw=&pmt=&gclid=Cj0KEQjww7zHBRCToPSj_c_WjZIBEiQAj8il5FDSabrZEvox1RJEM7eEWSDAiYlumfF39iSmJpdaijMaApPn8P8HAQ It all comes down to what you need. If you want a small HTPC but want the best possible gpu in there, you'll never look at the Nano. If you want mid range performance in there, there's plenty options from Nvidia that are about the size of the Nano. If you just want a multimedia streaming HTPC with some gaming potential, you could go with a 1050ti, why not? There is smaller gpus out there than the Nano. Are there smaller gpus from AMD to this Zotac Mini that perform similarly? No chance. I'm not even sure why I'm trying to explain it to you anyway.

This is exactly why i bought an nvidia card cos the AIBs can release decent compact cards. AMD LEARN FROM THIS. LEARN!!!!!!!!! SHEEEKO!!!!!!

If AMD's top solutions arent fast enough for you, then why bother arguing over size, especially when someone is wrong about AMD not having equally small or even smaller solutions? If you want GTX 1080 or higher performance, then you can't buy ANY single chip card from AMD at this moment. Regardless of size. You see... he said this: And I said, "No, there are even more compact cards in the highest AMD tier."

That is a fair point. But as you surely know, AMD don't really offer these tiny cards in any price bracket. We've just seen a single slot 1070, a 1080 mini, there's a ton of tiny 1070 cards, 1060 cards, 1050ti cards... As you see, Nvidia offer a lot of options for those looking for a little gpu for their HTPC. AMD don't have these options, bar the Nano, really, unless I'm mistaken. I'm sure he meant along these lines, really.

Even the Fury X is a tiny bit smaller than the Zotac mini... (if you have a fan-spot for the radiator anyway) And the funny thing is he blames AMD for it... while technically NVIDIA doesn't produce reference cards that small... but AMD does! So it's the other way round. He should blame Nvidia why they aren't bringing out reference cards as small as AMDs and thank the AiB vendors to do it for him. But why he blames AMD for actually delivering smaller cards than NVIDIA and their 3d party vendors... I can only speculate about that motive.

It's kinda difficult to release a single slot 280x or 290x or their variants because AMD chips run hot, as you know, so AMD have to take a bit of the blame. Nvidia are a lot more efficient with their 900/1000 series and that allows AIB partners to play with custom designs.

Yeah I don't know how this conversation is leading to anything. I corrected this other guy in his statement about card size. Anything else is irrelevant here. You jump from one thing to the next. You don't need to defend that guy over a little mistake he made about card sizes... 🙂

Hats off to ZOtac for releasing such compact card. This is exactly why i bought an nvidia card cos the AIBs can release decent compact cards. AMD LEARN FROM THIS. LEARN!!!!!!!!! SHEEEKO!!!!!!

To be fair to him, he said this AIBs. So yeah, he clearly means that on Nvidia he has options from AIBs that are exactly what he's looking for. You decided to start talking about AMD vs Nvidia rather than the AIBs. But like I said, I'm not going to try to convince you of anything, you clearly have your mind up.

But he is wrong, because AMD has already more compact cards (even without their AiBs needing to put them out) than the card in the original posts he obviously refers to. So maybe you should make up your mind too.

Mind made up, you're on my ignore list.