Ubisoft engineer says Microsoft & Sony pressuring them 30fps on PC

cyberfredxxx

2014-10-15 11:58

It's not that simple. Have you tried to do the same with Dark Souls? NFS Rivals? Skyrim (above 60FPS)? They are all unstable. The game engine has to support running at higher / variable framerate otherwise unlocking the FPS will cause unwanted issues.

I garantee you that NFS Rivals is not unstable at 60 fps (with the trick to have normal speed) I play during many hours without a problem And Skyrim also at 100 fps without a problem...

#4937856

fantaskarsef

2014-10-15 11:59

30 fps has no place in PC gaming. This wouldn't do AMD or nVidia any favors for their high end gpu market.

I agree, just like I said in the Evil Within 30fps thread.

#4937857

cyberfredxxx

2014-10-15 11:59

30 fps has no place in PC gaming. This wouldn't do AMD or nVidia any favors for their high end gpu market.

+10000 :cheers:

#4937872

Primey0

2014-10-15 12:29

Very plausible IMO.

#4937876

southamptonfc

2014-10-15 12:33

Its like saying "MS came to us with lots of $ and benefits, and we could not refuse because Xbox is the only gaming platform we can sell to. We need MS more than they need us." Plain dumb or greedy accepting bribes? You decide.

Another way to look at that is M$ abusing their market position to get their way. I cannot think of another situation where a company gets away operating like this. M$ have an effective monopoly on PC gaming which they use to restrict the competitiveness against another one of their products which isn't in a monopoly and so needs help in it's battle with Sony. Makes me sick.

#4937880

shymi

2014-10-15 12:39

So everybody is telling, that the others are to blame... Meanwhile, the Wii U with inferior hardware has more 1080p 60fps games than the PS4 and XOne combined...

#4937881

Dzuljzebari

2014-10-15 12:40

I think big Players in GPU market and other gaming monitor makers should raise the war to this console invasion and support game developer teams to keep PC gaming alive. Hate u M... ,fix your buggy Win.. issues first and then go to gaming market. I know there are guys out there which will always think that Consoles are better than PC, so leave them there and get your dirty hands off PC crowd. Selling outdated hardware is your decision, so why the hell need limit PC, so sneaky move, shame and fuuuuuuu.... . Really wish some alternatives will come soon. :bang:

#4937899

h4rm0ny

2014-10-15 13:16

Me too. Mantle came along and proved that M$ have been neglecting PC gamers. Now we have evidence that they are actively against PC gamers. The sooner somebody creates a better Linux alternative to DirectX the better!

More likely one hand not knowing what the other is doing. Over in one building you have the DX12 team beavering away to provide low-level access so that graphics and framerates can be pushed ever higher. Next building over (or more likely a few floors above) you have some games and marketing people saying: "this would make Xbox look bad compared to PCs - quick put a ceiling on that!" :(

#4937906

lmimmfn

2014-10-15 13:35

ive never bought a game thats locked to 30FPS, and thats not going to change. It will result in lost PC sales at the end of the day( and out of spite i wouldnt get one of the new consoles lol ), so........

#4937907

Rich_Guy

2014-10-15 13:38

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--A_TFxQz5--/672779687324106387.gif

Hey Beaker 😀 Its ok for me, as games that are locked @ 30, aren't for me on 144Hz. :P

#4937918

kevnb

2014-10-15 13:52

its not the first time weve heard whispers about this sort of thing, intel was going on about gta v having a pc version but it being held back because the good old console companies. But as far as locking framerate goes, planescape torment was locked at 40 fps for example, its not unheard of.

#4937931

Rexob

2014-10-15 14:04

I'd be more concerned if Ubisoft even tried making PC games...they generally bring over horrible ports anyways.

#4937936

jimbonbon

2014-10-15 14:11

It's amazing how frequently and incorrectly 24 FPS is talked about, although in this situation it sounds like the engineer may have been attempting sarcasm. In reality content is only viable at frame rates this low thanks to other factors like motion blur. Someone else noted about removing 30 FPS caps on games; generally speaking this isn't a problem, but games can have other effects, logic or AI that is tied to the frame rate. This isn't all about what you can see, but also how fluid that motion feels when you move or look around. For me it's easy to notice this by just taking a 120Hz monitor and moving a window around at the desktop, then comparing it to one running at 60Hz.

#4937943

nhlkoho

2014-10-15 14:17

Another way to look at that is M$ abusing their market position to get their way. I cannot think of another situation where a company gets away operating like this.

This is nothing new. This happens daily. Apple anyone?

#4937950

Marios145

2014-10-15 14:26

It's amazing how frequently and incorrectly 24 FPS is talked about, although in this situation it sounds like the engineer may have been attempting sarcasm. In reality content is only viable at frame rates this low thanks to other factors like motion blur. Someone else noted about removing 30 FPS caps on games; generally speaking this isn't a problem, but games can have other effects, logic or AI that is tied to the frame rate. This isn't all about what you can see, but also how fluid that motion feels when you move or look around. For me it's easy to notice this by just taking a 120Hz monitor and moving a window around at the desktop, then comparing it to one running at 60Hz.

Yeah, i mean i can play racing all day @30fps but shooters below 50 is seriously bugging me

#4937957

nexus_711

2014-10-15 14:35

More likely one hand not knowing what the other is doing. Over in one building you have the DX12 team beavering away to provide low-level access so that graphics and framerates can be pushed ever higher. Next building over (or more likely a few floors above) you have some games and marketing people saying: "this would make Xbox look bad compared to PCs - quick put a ceiling on that!" :(

You totally right about that!

#4937976

anxious_f0x

2014-10-15 14:57

Surely being third party developers/publishers the demands of the platform holders should mean very little? But then considering this information has come from Ubisoft I don't really know what to think.

#4937978

Slikar

2014-10-15 15:04

This is insane , what does PC has to do with any of this? I can't believe this at all... Just unimaginable what kind of **** is going on behind the curtains for the sake of someones business. Developers accepting these kinds of deals should really be ashamed , i understand its all money in the end.. but still. I was to buy console but not anymore , oh no.. I wish we can have Nvidia and AMD honest opinion about all this. If what we read here is true Sad thing that our favorite platform doesn't really have anyone to stand up for it, and everyone can screw us over how they see fit. Better stop releasing those games on PC then , it would be far less scary than this

#4937983

-Tj-

2014-10-15 15:10

Its ubisoft why should we believe them anything they say now. They nothing but a lying fart at this point, just because they're so incompetent to make a decent engine they go trash this bs around, good luck with that ubisoft, softies :P 😀

#4937989

0blivious

2014-10-15 15:15

Gaming PCs have always dominated consoles in sheer power and yet they've never taken away console market share. Why would they "need" to cap anything to make a console look better? This is much ado about nothing.