just when gamers finally have peace with steam+origin+uplay(+gog) ecosystem.. till Linux-distro as gaming ecosystem..gamers stucked with msft >:(

Is he really saying MS will release patches to Windows 10 which will cause bugs in Steam client? Ridiculous. And Valve will just watch, nothing to do there...omg.

It almost looks like Microsoft is telling users and developers to go to Linux are they really that stupid?

Another reason why developers should go Vulkan so we can game on linux rather than windows. If they start using vulkan then i will sure jump to linux for gaming or even have a dedicated drive for windows and one for Linux.

Classical Doomsday preaching i say. We had that always over past 20 years, and look where gaming is now. I am sure its going to be just fine.

Oh geeze... this guy is silly. The guys at ArsTechnica pretty much eviscerate him again. http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/07/now-tim-sweeney-thinks-that-microsoft-will-use-windows-10-to-break-steam/

Another reason why developers should go Vulkan so we can game on linux rather than windows. If they start using vulkan then i will sure jump to linux for gaming or even have a dedicated drive for windows and one for Linux.

If there was a like button here then I would've hit it. :thumbup:

How what when. This seems tinfoil level stuff. If MS starts to break steam just what and we are already seeing this?

HaHA Tim just needs to stop being such a cry baby and get an UWP steam app out the door they've had time to prepare they knew it was coming but sat on their hands and buried their heads in the sand

How what when. This seems tinfoil level stuff. If MS starts to break steam just what and we are already seeing this?

Not completely. I do not know about your experience, but I have been in insider program from start. And MS patches broke VirtualBox functionality, then guys fixed it over course of some months and MS quickly made another changes which broke it again for months. Rinse and repeat. Doing this to tech crowd has no effect as they just move to linux for what they need. But doing this to average consumer and you have person ditching their favorite game distribution platform as it is more convenient that switching OS.

If and when my favorite steam game becomes available on Linux there will be no reason for me to remain on Windows.

Not completely. I do not know about your experience, but I have been in insider program from start. And MS patches broke VirtualBox functionality, then guys fixed it over course of some months and MS quickly made another changes which broke it again for months. Rinse and repeat. Doing this to tech crowd has no effect as they just move to linux for what they need. But doing this to average consumer and you have person ditching their favorite game distribution platform as it is more convenient that switching OS.

Sure things break from time to time. But win32 is going nowhere which seemed to be the biggest fear for Tim. I'm guessing VirtualBox now works fine?

Oh wow, Windows BETA builds broke one piece of software amongst hundreds of thousands that still worked fine. This is obviously solid proof that MS are trying to break all Win32 desktop software. It's not like new Windows versions, or alpha/beta software have ever broke anything before... :bang: I'm also a insider and i've had zero issues with 3rd party software being broken.

Well, for all you know (nothing really?), one has to 1st get out that windows 10 upgrades which people can't downgrade from in most cases. And only after that you can start pulling bad things. But that requires W10 to have that saturation, if they'll do it too early, people will not upgrade. As for broken software. It is interested to see that MS broke applications of very particular software vendors. (Direct competitors in certain industries.)

As I said in the other thread. I don't see this happening unless MS wants another monopoly style lawsuit like they had with the EU in the past. I can see Valve sue them for that reason.

Things are bound to break in the insiders program, that's kinda the point. It's the difference between the average and more experienced PC user, those with more experience tinker and often break stuff, but usually increase their experience fixing it. The average user is usually scared to touch anything, which is why I find it strange that easy lifers sign up for it. Tim must think people are gullible if he thinks anyone will believe this, if anything it sounds like a way to divert from the fact Steam can be rather buggy, and that W10 is growing very quickly in the Steam Stats surveys.

Weren't Microsoft involved in some scandal a bunch of years ago where the were sabotaging other peoples software? I might just be thinking of that episode of the Simpson with the Krusty dolls that destroy stuff though

Things are bound to break in the insiders program, that's kinda the point. It's the difference between the average and more experienced PC user, those with more experience tinker and often break stuff, but usually increase their experience fixing it. The average user is usually scared to touch anything, which is why I find it strange that easy lifers sign up for it. Tim must think people are gullible if he thinks anyone will believe this, if anything it sounds like a way to divert from the fact Steam can be rather buggy, and that W10 is growing very quickly in the Steam Stats surveys.

Makes perfect sense to me. I have read about testers within the insiders program complain about certain games not working correctly. I even forgot about the Insiders program. To me this Tim dude is trying to stir crap here. Phil Spencer commented on Steam's sucess about a month ago.

Tinfoil is strong with this one.

Hes Right Don't normally reply to this stuff but he is spot on: Its not about steam. Its about getting rid of legacy applications. Moving software into this new format (check out the new windows packages as they closely match the MS Application Virtualisation Standard) which is compatible with being uploaded into the Microsoft cloud where all this software will eventually be run from. The cloud is where the big players see the future so they are all having a go and all that we are seeing is an old fashioned land grab. But in this case its virtual land. Why the cloud? because technology is going low cost and low power and there is a lot of decent free software out there. The cloud is a way for the corporates to keep their profit margins and lock customers in.

Yeah I don't know about the whole breaking win32 stuff -- Microsoft has done similar before but breaking win32 would put their entire business market at risk. That being said, I do think they will favor UWP going forward. Most of the new features will be centered around UWP apps and they are going to do everything they can to retain control over UWP. IIRC you're going to be able to get UWP apps through the steam store though -- so I'm not sure it would end up mattering anyway. Regardless Epic's new UE build can publish to UWP now, came out like yesterday. So I'm sure Tim Sweeney is having a bit of a mental crisis right now. He's contributed so much to gaming though -- if he wants to go off every once in a while I think people should just tolerate it. Unreal Engine pretty good.

Weren't Microsoft involved in some scandal a bunch of years ago where the were sabotaging other peoples software? I might just be thinking of that episode of the Simpson with the Krusty dolls that destroy stuff though

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish

On Office documents: In a memo to the Office product group in 1998, Bill Gates stated: "One thing we have got to change in our strategy—allowing Office documents to be rendered very well by other peoples [sic] browsers is one of the most destructive things we could do to the company. We have to stop putting any effort into this and make sure that Office documents very well depends [sic] on PROPRIETARY IE capabilities. Anything else is suicide for our platform. This is a case where Office has to avoid doing something to destory [sic] Windows." [emphasis in original][14]

That's just one example. That's why I kind of find it funny that people make it sound like it's so far fetched. At the time Netscape Navigator had a huge marketshare, like 80%. Then Microsoft used it's monopoly in other products, like office, to break the view on netscape. They did the same thing with Active X controls. Which basically forced people to use IE for compatibility. It's pretty much identical to what tim is saying here -- although breaking Win32 is a little more of a risk then breaking office the way they did.