Loobyluggs:

FFS! None of you know anything about this, but I am desperately trying to get a new rig to update my i3770k - I did have a 5950x for about a month before it broke, and I ordered a new 12900k... This has been going on since August! Can you please stop dropping new information about new and better CPU's please? New 12900k cancelled - maybe after 2027 I will finally get a new rig to replace the one I've had since...2013? Nightmare for sure, yet, because of global BS, I cannot even complain about it - but I can rant, but only if I apologise for ranting!!!! /rant mode disengaged and apologies to all emotionally affected by my rant in these difficult times.

mackintosh:

Well I think I know what I want for next Christmas.

Kaarme:

Eight performance and sixteen efficency cores soounds strange if you ask me. If you have so much going on that you need sixteen cores for it, does it have anything to do with energy saving anymore? I still find the P+E route kind of interesting, but I only see it as a way to have a limited number of efficiency cores to use when you aren't really doing anything much with the PC. So, when you are browsing the net, listening to music, watching videos. That sort of thing. When you are rendering animations (or something else burdening the PC 100%), why would you want to have a whole battalion of efficiency cores at your disposal, instead of more performance cores? You'd surely want to have the work finished as soon as possible, unless you are living in some off-grid cabin in the woods where every watt matters and you don't have a huge battery reserve.

nizzen:

Maybe it's time to retire 7980xe x299 🙂

tunejunky:

mine's long been retired

TieSKey:

If u leave the horrible naming aside, I think this inverted configuration does actually make more sense. When doing some heavy multithread workload, max all-core speeds get a lot lower than single core boosts. Power and thermal limits kick in really fast too. So, instead of having a bunch of cores capable of 5Ghz but working at 4, u have a lot of cores "tuned" to work steadily and efficiently at 3/4Ghz for that multithread tasks and 8 cores that can reach 5Ghz when u run single or light multithread software such as games, etc.

Undying:

Already? Its still the highest core count intel core cpu you can get. 😉

Undying:

Already? Its still the highest core count intel core cpu you can get. 😉

tunejunky:

heh 😎 ditched it for TR

nizzen:

What Threadripper? I'm still using my old 1950x threadripper. AMD fooled me, because x399 don't support TRX cpu's, and there is no 5 serie Threadripper yet?

Loobyluggs:

FFS! None of you know anything about this, but I am desperately trying to get a new rig to update my i3770k - I did have a 5950x for about a month before it broke, and I ordered a new 12900k... This has been going on since August! Can you please stop dropping new information about new and better CPU's please? New 12900k cancelled - maybe after 2027 I will finally get a new rig to replace the one I've had since...2013? Nightmare for sure, yet, because of global BS, I cannot even complain about it - but I can rant, but only if I apologise for ranting!!!! /rant mode disengaged and apologies to all emotionally affected by my rant in these difficult times.

nizzen:

What Threadripper? I'm still using my old 1950x threadripper. AMD fooled me, because x399 don't support TRX cpu's, and there is no 5 serie Threadripper yet?

TieSKey:

If u leave the horrible naming aside, I think this inverted configuration does actually make more sense. When doing some heavy multithread workload, max all-core speeds get a lot lower than single core boosts. Power and thermal limits kick in really fast too. So, instead of having a bunch of cores capable of 5Ghz but working at 4, u have a lot of cores "tuned" to work steadily and efficiently at 3/4Ghz for that multithread tasks and 8 cores that can reach 5Ghz when u run single or light multithread software such as games, etc.

Kaarme:

That's a good theory, but at the moment, hard to test. With Alder Lake, the P cores get a lot more work done than the E cores, understandably. Unfortunately it's also impossible to test if 16 P cores got more work done than 8P+8E, considering the power and thermal limits, because no such CPU exists. Actually, I had been underestimating the E cores, before I now read more about it. They are apparently comparable to Skylake cores, so they are far from useless. I suppose the real question is indeed one that could only be "solved" mathematically, in theory: If all P cores downclocking to meet the power/thermal limits would still beat P+E. Intel would have various reasons for doing what it's doing, so it would be hasty to say that P+E must be the best because Intel chose that way.

tunejunky:

perhaps but there's a larger real world market for lots of high performance cores in more different industries instead of the home user having 16 webpages open while they upload to tiktok or twitch. especially any work with massive data. those folks will continue to buy AMD but i'm open to the 2nd gen improvements in Meteor Lake simply because these are issues that Intel already knew about before the release of Raptor Lake.