Six Core AMD Ryzen Processors Might Still Possible

#5387775

Texter

2017-02-02 11:44

Maybe the 6-core can be pencil modded into an 8-core...

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Stormyandcold

2017-02-02 12:10

Good news, that will allow for robust product pricing.

#5387794

Dygaza

2017-02-02 12:53

6C/12T and 8C/8T will be too close with eachothers performance to make them priced differently (if they both come out). If SMT gain is under 33% 8C/8T will be faster, and if it will over 33% 6C/12T will be faster. So basicly most games will have 8C/8T faster, but other applications like blender where SMT gain is close to 50% 6C/12T will be faster. Kinda makes it hard for pricing and marketing, which one is actually the faster one?

#5387797

Lane

2017-02-02 13:02

6C/12T and 8C/8T will be too close with eachothers performance to make them priced differently (if they both come out). If SMT gain is under 33% 8C/8T will be faster, and if it will over 33% 6C/12T will be faster. So basicly most games will have 8C/8T faster, but other applications like blender where SMT gain is close to 50% 6C/12T will be faster. Kinda makes it hard for pricing and marketing, which one is actually the faster one?

Yes it will be a little bit complicate, anyway in case to case. But theres another factor it seems for the differentiation to take in account... Clock speed. Actually other site report 3.7ghz for the 6cores, and 4ghz+ for the 8cores ( 16thread ). The 6cores have a codename “ZD3301BBM6IF4_37/33_Y" ( 6 = cores, 37/33 = turbo / base clock )

#5387805

FrostNixon

2017-02-02 13:35

6C/12T and 8C/8T will be too close with eachothers performance to make them priced differently (if they both come out). If SMT gain is under 33% 8C/8T will be faster, and if it will over 33% 6C/12T will be faster. So basicly most games will have 8C/8T faster, but other applications like blender where SMT gain is close to 50% 6C/12T will be faster. Kinda makes it hard for pricing and marketing, which one is actually the faster one?

At first thought I was thinking the same thing, however now I actually believe the 6core part would actually make marketing easier. Having more and different modes (unlike intel with basically 3 models) makes it easier, 4c4t < 4c8t < 6c6t < 6c8t < 8c8t < 8c16t, and if they make the price of the 4c4t slightly lower than the i3s and then the price of the 8c16t slightly higher than the i7 then this would mean starting from 120$ and reaching 400$ then this would allow them to have a different product within 50$ of the next. Now add in slightly higher clocked and different binned so that you have either 2 or 3 of each of the mentioned models above and then you have a full range of CPUs from 100-400$ each within 20$. Basically you'd cover the whole market.

#5387821

nz3777

2017-02-02 14:37

6/12 could be a potential contender against intel if the $ is right.I am interested in that and the 8/16 Just waiting on prices and some Benchmarks from actuall users. This is good news.

#5387828

schmidtbag

2017-02-02 15:04

6C/12T and 8C/8T will be too close with eachothers performance to make them priced differently (if they both come out). If SMT gain is under 33% 8C/8T will be faster, and if it will over 33% 6C/12T will be faster. So basicly most games will have 8C/8T faster, but other applications like blender where SMT gain is close to 50% 6C/12T will be faster. Kinda makes it hard for pricing and marketing, which one is actually the faster one?

This isn't Intel, and it isn't literally Hyper Threading. From what I heard, what AMD is doing is a different approach. Don't forget, even the "8-core" FX CPUs were actually 4c/8t. The only difference is the additional 4 threads were still based on physical hardware and truly worked in parallel, whereas Intel's HT basically "re-uses" the same hardware and worked in serial. Regardless, even if this was Intel we were talking about and what you said were true, then why does Intel have Xeon chips that are 6c/12t and 8c/8t? Anyway, I'm not surprised about the release of 6-core chips. Just as I said in the other article, it would be an economically horrible choice to only do 4 and 8 core models, when you consider the inevitable errors in the manufacturing process.

#5387831

PrMinisterGR

2017-02-02 15:09

I somehow can't see AMD disabling HT or any other processor feature.

#5387962

Venix

2017-02-02 19:15

we are almost sure that amd will release 8c/16c 8c/8t 4c/4t 4c/8t .... a cpu 6c/12t would be really close to the performance of 8c/8t no ? on a multi-thread applications that is ... and the 6c/6t would be a bit over 4c/4t no ?

#5387979

Kaarme

2017-02-02 19:47

Anyway, I'm not surprised about the release of 6-core chips. Just as I said in the other article, it would be an economically horrible choice to only do 4 and 8 core models, when you consider the inevitable errors in the manufacturing process.

Yeah, for AMD (or any manufacturer) a situation of a "with just a bit more money you can get a better model" is the best. If the steps are too big, more people will simply go for the lower/cheaper model because the budgets of normal people aren't infinite (no matter what Intel believes).

#5388158

Skullviking

2017-02-03 06:07

Hope these rumors are true but regardless i'm really excited to see more news about these chips, everyone has been waiting!!!!

#5388160

HeavyHemi

2017-02-03 06:25

This isn't Intel, and it isn't literally Hyper Threading. From what I heard, what AMD is doing is a different approach. Don't forget, even the "8-core" FX CPUs were actually 4c/8t. The only difference is the additional 4 threads were still based on physical hardware and truly worked in parallel, whereas Intel's HT basically "re-uses" the same hardware and worked in serial. Regardless, even if this was Intel we were talking about and what you said were true, then why does Intel have Xeon chips that are 6c/12t and 8c/8t? Anyway, I'm not surprised about the release of 6-core chips. Just as I said in the other article, it would be an economically horrible choice to only do 4 and 8 core models, when you consider the inevitable errors in the manufacturing process.

I'd say, assuming your question is rhetorical, 🙂 that suitability would depend upon how efficiently HT utilized. There are use examples were an 8/8 is more efficient than using 6/12HT.

#5388177

heffeque

2017-02-03 08:32

I somehow can't see AMD disabling HT or any other processor feature.

I think that 4/4 (cheapest)-> 4/8 (still cheap, hopefully) -> 6/12 (midrange) -> 8/16 (beast) would make sense. Personally what I'm really really looking for is for low powered APUs so that I can upgrade my aging slow as a turtle AMD E-450 :roll: Sadly I'm probably gonna have to wait until Christmas or something like that, because I'm sure that the first APUs to come out are going to be the desktop ones, or mid to high powered laptop ones.

#5388461

-Tj-

2017-02-03 22:19

Well looks like that early chart was spot on.. https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainboard/amd_s_ryzen_cpu_lineup_has_been_leaked/1 https://s27.postimg.org/8y8sdk18z/Ryzen.png image hosting gif

#5388512

Agent-A01

2017-02-04 00:45

Chart is weird, 6800k is much faster than 7700k an extra couple hundred mhz makes it comparable to 6900k?

#5388534

Stormyandcold

2017-02-04 01:05

I'm worried for this product.

#5388535

heffeque

2017-02-04 01:08

Well looks like that early chart was spot on.. https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainboard/amd_s_ryzen_cpu_lineup_has_been_leaked/1

Wow... Exactly what I imagined it would be! (see the post right before yours) Edit: Deleted quoted image.

#5388573

-Tj-

2017-02-04 03:36

it says base from 3Ghz to 3.6Ghz, some models will have base 3.0ghz, some 3.3, 3.5, 3.6 Now that you mention Pro before normal number, maybe they mixed up a bit? Imo normal name is kind of like intel non-k, Pro higher clocked while X better overclocker with higherst possible base freq.

#5388581

airbud7

2017-02-04 05:07

New style 1100t 6 core would do amd good....Price it right and it will work!

#5390498

AsiJu

2017-02-09 13:34

It also said on the original article that they can 100 % confirm Zolkorn's rumour is false... ie 6 cores possible. Cannot be taken as fact yet but sounds good.