I guess 550-600 euros is the new standard for lower mid-range gaming cards. I'll just wait for the next gen and be prepared to pay that much, then. It will give me more performance than this gen for the same money, obviously.

1) hopefully as the refresh sales are strong and still holding @ MSRP this card comes along and does the same. 2) @ MSRP this is a good value and a good amount of memory (for this part of the market) and should be a solid recommend for mid-range gaming. the following is an observation of the market and does not slam or discredit Nvidia in any way. right now (in the US) because of the Nvidia refresh supplies are good in the enthusiast segment. but the prices remain high for many reasons, some controversial and not worth getting into. so this entry by AMD in this part of the market helps them with what i frankly have considered lackluster below the 6800/6900/50 which are rockstars and value leaders. 3) it appears that because of the issues regarding mining (mainly 'cuz they have pre-refresh) this refresh is being left alone for the moment so i would highly recommend (as long as you don't "need" S.O.T.A.) that anyone put off in the market segment go ahead and buy this or the Nvidia refresh as it will be solid.

Kaarme:

I guess 550-600 euros is the new standard for lower mid-range gaming cards. I'll just wait for the next gen and be prepared to pay that much, then. It will give me more performance than this gen for the same money, obviously.

typically that would just be so wouldn't it? my question however, given that ya' know "enthusiast", at what point does the spec outperform usage? and to the point what is also typical is that the current mid range is at the performance of the old high end. which is true in this case, but the difference being the "enthusiast" entry price then is the "new" mid range price now. and so on and so on but it "ain't" greed or "just" Covid, it's the difference between packing a house up x 1,000's (the industry not people) and unpacking it after it's been in storage. life is not "on demand". but what resolution are you at? this isn't a 4k card and neither was the former entry level enthusiast. this is a 1080p to 1440p card depending on the refresh target you have. and to this point the gpu manufacturers are all for the display manufacturers 8k push so if you wait a decade yeah then you can get a 4k gpu cheap.

finally they have "sort of" competition to 3060ti and 160-bit bus, lol

tunejunky:

but what resolution are you at? this isn't a 4k card and neither was the former entry level enthusiast. this is a 1080p to 1440p card depending on the refresh target you have.

1080p. As long as this Eizo lasts. However, I personally believe that if you are gaming at 1080p, it's wise to get a card that would be decent enough for 1440p. That's why I'm not interested in the made for 1080p cards, which would, these days, be very much low mid-range. Entry level cards seem like a bad idea if you intend to play modern games at all.

What a strange card. Both in specs and release date. So close to a new generation, it's a bit pointless.

Yup, utterly pointless unless they plan on selling them cheaply. I have at this point zero interest for any 6xxx card.

No point having this card. Reducing the 6700xt price below msrp would be better and great deal compared to 3060ti.

Undying:

No point having this card. Reducing the 6700xt price below msrp would be better and great deal compared to 3060ti.

Not like its AMD doing this. All Sapphire.

whether or not you like the 6xxx refresh, they have proven one thing (esp 6950xt)... that the crypto demand ain't what it used to be (Hurrah!) considering the 6950xt, any card that hashes as well as that card and is still @ msrp over a month after it's release proves my point. yeah we know Crypto has more lives than Freddie Krueger and has been declared "dead" or "over" many times since 2010, but looking at available stock both Nvidia and AMD are widely available for the first time in years with no need for a "rain dance", queues, or satanic offerings 😎. regardless of the thoughts of many here the 6700 is not a bad card. it just isn't "exciting", but it fills a hole for Sapphire. my opinion is that if anyone has been waiting over a year to pull the trigger on a GPU (not necessarily this one) the time is now go out and buy while the prices are "normal", before the new line-up comes out. so anything above a 3060 or 6700 has a short window before the new models come out. mind you regardless of mining, the first month of new SKUs will have speculators shooting for a percentage over MSRP for scarcity (especially in hard to reach areas of Europe)... so realistically it would be 2-4 months after release before distribution squashes that. so a gamer buying now will have 6+ months of gaming instead of 6+ months waiting on top of that 1-2 years waiting for a release. so if you game below 4k this is a great time to buy. if you game at 4k it's better off waiting as there will be more than 2x as many 4k cards (new and current gen) to choose from.

tunejunky:

my opinion is that if anyone has been waiting over a year to pull the trigger on a GPU (not necessarily this one) the time is now go out and buy while the prices are "normal", before the new line-up comes out. so anything above a 3060 or 6700 has a short window before the new models come out.

yup,don't play the waiting game forever.

tunejunky:

so if you game below 4k this is a great time to buy.from.

better than it used to be at least 3060ti for 570eur new 6700xt for 540 a huge improvement

cucaulay malkin:

yup,don't play the waiting game forever. better than it used to be at least 3060ti for 570eur new 6700xt for 540 a huge improvement

Over here 3060 Ti starts from 620 euros and 6700XT from 700 euros, the cheapest plastic bubble Asua Dual models (which I'd never buy). In January '21 Asus Dual 3060 Ti was under 500 euros. I think Asus 3060 Ti TUF was 550-570 euros, now it's around 700 euros if you can find one. So, I'm not going to run out to buy one.

Kaarme:

Over here 3060 Ti starts from 620 euros and 6700XT from 700 euros, the cheapest plastic bubble Asua Dual models (which I'd never buy). In January '21 Asus Dual 3060 Ti was under 500 euros. I think Asus 3060 Ti TUF was 550-570 euros, now it's around 700 euros if you can find one. So, I'm not going to run out to buy one.

They are both 590Eur here and regular 3060 is around 460Eur. Good thing is that rx6600 can be found at 300Eur already and its a really nice card for 1080p.

Kaarme:

Over here 3060 Ti starts from 620 euros and 6700XT from 700 euros, the cheapest plastic bubble Asua Dual models (which I'd never buy). In January '21 Asus Dual 3060 Ti was under 500 euros. I think Asus 3060 Ti TUF was 550-570 euros, now it's around 700 euros if you can find one. So, I'm not going to run out to buy one.

😱 😱 😱 a 260 Euro difference is (at lower gas prices) worth a train/road trip.

Bought the RTX 3060 TUF for 570€ in the end of February, but at the same time I had a proposal do sell my GTX 1060 for 240€, so it was not bad. The best models of 3060, are almost the same price for now, the ones that are going down are the Asus Dual, Zotac or MSI Ventus. The 3060Ti are a little bit cheaer but not much, still going 600 and above. The AMDs yes, they are going cheaper. But I dont think that they are going down much more. Probably will be stoped being produced and will desappear. The 6700 should be a solution for 450-550 range, or a bit lower but I dont think that reach lower than 450.