Samsung Unveils New OLED Monitors Ahead of CES 2024: Technical Specs and Features
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fantaskarsef
Two essential details...
Serotonin
"Both the G9 and G8 adhere to VESA DisplayHDR True Black 400 specifications, ensuring a peak brightness exceeding 400 nits in HDR mode."
And that's a pass.
EzyPzyJapaneze
Yep thats a L for me aswell.The absence of DP 2.0/2.1 I can forgive but that peak brightness is terrible, even for an oled.
I"ll probably for the ASUS ROG Swift PG32UCDM, most definitely, that one lacks the newer DP aswell but at least its brightness can go up to 1000 cd/m2 and its QD oled panel instead of woled. Still waiting for the pricing though. The monitor is going to be released in a week and we still do not know the retail price. If its more than 1500 Iam not going to bother.
tunejunky
it shouldn't be.
peak brightness is widely misunderstood and highly overrated
i have owned professional mastering monitors for over 25 years until i did what Disney (Marvel/Hulu/National Geographic/Pixar/ESPN/ABC) did.
i replaced my extremely expensive Sony and Pioneer displays (and their BNC connectors) for an off-the-shelf LG OLED.
no looking back - and i worked for the pro division of Pioneer (which is also a record label and film distribution arm in Japan and pro audio manufacturer in America under sub divisions) for 20 of those 25 years. i'm still working in electronics as a vendor to Intel/AMD/Nvidia/Micron/ and many others.
i'm in Las Vegas right now for CES
tunejunky
btw...
with an OLED brightness starts with zero nits - unlike all other displays
so the contrast on a 400 nit OLED is vastly superior to a 1000 nit non-OLED display. and that's including mini-led where you have artefacts like blooming and on VA rainbow effects with room lighting.
all other displays are not True Black - which is more than marketing jargon it is the zero nit black. IPS and VA displays start at around 75 nits which is gray, not black and they need higher brightness to attempt compensation.
Serotonin
OLEDS have a very annoying brightness limiter (ABLs) they adhere, many you have no control over to which ruins peak brightness in 100% windows. There are OLEDS now that are exceeding 900nits, for the price these will be, 400 is lazy. I understand 400 for an OLED is different, but it's still not the best. Again, especially when they're auto dimming with ABL. It's an annoying part of OLEDS I'm hoping they figure out. So 400 being dimmed down is not acceptable to me. I hope you enjoy CES this year, seems you've been kind of disappointed the last few recently. Keep us updated with some pics!
tunejunky
ABL can be very annoying (again looking at Corsair), but in real world scenarios like gaming or netflix it's really no big deal. no end user does what rtings (which is very good) does and rtings has put to bed the burn-in issue(s).
yeah, i've been pretty underwhelmed with CES lately - this Samsung reveal is one of the reasons why but they're not alone in jumping the gun.
but one of my main interests is what's on tap for monitors - esp the "32-34 class which has been gaining popularity. there are more MLA (which gives you the brightness you crave - without any drawbacks - a first) way more mini-leds (with more zones YAY) and supposedly RGB micro-leds - which i'm very eager to see if vaporware or not.
no_1_dave
Seems there is a lot of mis-understanding here...
Being certified for DisplayHDR True Black 400 does not mean that 400nits is the peak brightness. It's just there as an option (and selling point for those who like it)
Samsung will be using their QD-OLED panels which have over 1000nits peak brightness
The Dell Alienware AW3423DW (34" QD-OLED for those wondering) is certified DisplayHDR True Black 400, but has over 1000nit peak brightness
You can select True Black 400 in the options if you want to use it, but most people just select the 1000nit option.
Did you really think it would be capped at 400nits simply because it's HDR True Black 400 certified? 😀
EzyPzyJapaneze
I only read this news story, which said that peak brightness exceeding 400 nits, that could mean peak brightness a few nits above that value or doulbe or triple that. Considering it's an oled and not qd oled I don't think it will exceed it for much for longer periods of time. Even the ASUS ROG Swift OLED PG27AQDM, which is 2K only panel, but the same oled panel and has peak brightness window at 10% 960 nits.
For comparison, my current monitor Rog swift PG35V has hdr 1000 certification and has FALD with 512 zones, each zone can have over 1350 nits in HDR mode, that's the 10% window. And that monitor is 4 years old and a VA panel. Granted the cost was over 2.5K at the time of purchase
Serotonin
Like the other Guru, I read it as exceeding meaning it hit 450 nits or so. That's what most do. I'll keep an eye on it. I'm mainly interested in the 100% window, which is where OLED has been not so good with nits. I appreciate that explanation though, learned something new!
no_1_dave
It's QD-OLED
tunejunky
WOLED w/ MLA is brighter than QD-OLED
Monolyth
100% window @ 1000 nits? Doubt that will be happening for larger OLED screens any time soon.
Personally I would have hard time dealing with such brightness levels even with ambient levels in my office around 120 to 150 nits.
Now if I was fighting really high direct light shining onto my monitor then I could see that being pretty important.
Serotonin
Living room gets bright. I need something to combat that.
no_1_dave
Whites yes, but not colour volume
If choosing between the two I'd rather all colors be able to achieve good brightness levels
tunejunky
if the color volume was accurate i'd agree. but Samsung QD overdoes the reds.
the truth and the proof is in the fact that content creators (of the Mega scale) like Disney are using off-the-shelf LG OLEDs for mastering & editing content.
Disney can pay any price, they were previously using $10k + Sony monitors. every single display in Burbank is using LG C & G series without any compensation from LG
no_1_dave
Explains why so many movies nowadays are mastered to lower luminance levels
XenthorX
According to Philipps director of product strategy, we're talking 2000 vs 2100 nits between QD-OLED gen 2 and WOLED+MLA+Their in-house algo
They're fairly close, and as you mentioned, those OLED perfect blacks naturally create deeper contrasts compared to traditional LCD even while having lower fullscreen nits.
Incredible Lama
Curious when the 57" 7680·2160p version will launch with OLED. That would be something crazy immersive. It and the required RTX 4090+ to run anything on it will cost a good set of kidneys, though.
tunejunky
uh-wot?
you must only be enjoying "grimdark" films, and LG G series is brighter than any QD-OLED
