Gonna be fun seeing Samsung trying to dance around the fact that for years they capped all over OLED as a terrible screen technology with inherent burn in problems now that they finally have it ready for mass market big display. We can already see signs here as they have went out of their way to not ONCE use the initials OLED anywhere in this material instead calling their blue oled layer "qd display" layer. Lol Can't wait for all the Samsung fanboys to jump for joy about this "revolutionary" technology (the rest of have been using 5+ years).

rdmetz:

Gonna be fun seeing Samsung trying to dance around the fact that for years they capped all over OLED as a terrible screen technology with inherent burn in problems now that they finally have it ready for mass market big display. We can already see signs here as they have went out of their way to not ONCE use the initials OLED anywhere in this material instead calling their blue oled layer "qd display" layer. Lol Can't wait for all the Samsung fanboys to jump for joy about this "revolutionary" technology (the rest of have been using 5+ years).

Lol i mean Samsung has been using OLED in phones for years. LG had white oled (blue yellow) on patent which gave them a massive advantage. Now Samsung has come up with a way to make OLED work on TVs without the need for the white OLED. I also don't really recall samsung doing much marketing about burn in. There was a couple QLED vs OLED things that showed advantages vs disadvantages but burn in was a disadvantage.. so whatever. But it wasn't significant marketing and certainly not "crapping over it for years" I don't even know how they would do that considering their phone basically all suffer from the same issues. That's not to mention that maybe Samsung solved the burn-in problem with OLED with their technology anyway.

But they do have burn in problems, among other problems. Looking at AVForums, a UK AV enthusiasts place there are loads of people with burn in on their OLED TV's wondering if they can get them fixed as it occurred still under warranty. If it's not burn in, it's yellow banding/tinting due to the yellow/blue organic compounds. Current OLED technologies are just not that robust if you're not careful about how you use your TV.

If it it has a glossy coating like LG, I'm sold.

Richard Nutman:

But they do have burn in problems, among other problems. Looking at AVForums, a UK AV enthusiasts place there are loads of people with burn in on their OLED TV's wondering if they can get them fixed as it occurred still under warranty. If it's not burn in, it's yellow banding/tinting due to the yellow/blue organic compounds. Current OLED technologies are just not that robust if you're not careful about how you use your TV.

correction: Samsung OLED technologies are just not that robust if you're not careful about how you use your TV. LG (and the Phillips with the same panels) OLED have a suite of anti-burn in features and allow game play w/o issue. if you didn't do the mitigations you will have burn in as it is inherent in the technology. i believe this is Year Four for LG oleds with free-sync. if they had an issue there would be class action suits. i live in California, the state with the largest sales percentage of LG oleds and the most litigious state in America, which is the most litigious first world country. there is nothing but (legal) crickets

tunejunky:

if you didn't do the mitigations you will have burn in as it is inherent in the technology.

Exactly. We need a technology that doesn't require mitigations. It is clear from the number of people asking to exchange their 3/4 yr old Lg's that burn in is a problem. To say it isn't is blinkered.

Richard Nutman:

Exactly. We need a technology that doesn't require mitigations. It is clear from the number of people asking to exchange their 3/4 yr old Lg's that burn in is a problem. To say it isn't is blinkered.

you don't have any numbers. i've worked for manufacturers (in opto-electronics) that made TV's. we made the best tv ever known (at the time) and called it Kuro (for black). it had a real burn-in issue and yet it sold out every year with negligible returns at top dollar, averaging twice the price of the LG. it was plasma, which is the only technology other than OLED to provide true per pixel illumination. Samsung is offering a lower quality set period with technology not suited for the high end. the are still using regular led's with an OLED layer to improve per pixel performance instead of having per pixel performance. in any case your ideas of the number of LG returns is dead wrong and based on hearsay.

@Denial lol, they have been running stickers for years on their displays, that their tvs dont experience burn-in (at least for mil market/ probably US as well). @Richard Nutman yeah, Samsung is the best brand, thats why the last winter Olympics in SK were done by Sony. Funny how they dont even care to use their own brands for national events like that..

alanm:

If it it has a glossy coating like LG, I'm sold.

Hehe i am on the complete opposite side of things i will take mat screens over glossy any time of the day , i know glossy has better colors but i am willingly giving up for less glare . In a perfect world would have been awesome if they had say -g and -m models with the only difference the coating !

then again, glare is only relevant if their is light source visible. as soon as i have a big screen dedicated for movies only, i would have no problem getting a glossy screen (and matte for pc)..

People just need to best TV for their needs. In my case, it was a no brainer. I watch my LG OLED at night and I watch movies and TV shows and that's it. No logos on the screen as I don't watch TV channels, all streaming. If I was buying a TV for a brightly lit room and was going to have the news on 24/7, I'd buy an LCD.

tunejunky:

you don't have any numbers. i've worked for manufacturers (in opto-electronics) that made TV's. we made the best tv ever known (at the time) and called it Kuro (for black). it had a real burn-in issue and yet it sold out every year with negligible returns at top dollar, averaging twice the price of the LG. it was plasma, which is the only technology other than OLED to provide true per pixel illumination. Samsung is offering a lower quality set period with technology not suited for the high end. the are still using regular led's with an OLED layer to improve per pixel performance instead of having per pixel performance. in any case your ideas of the number of LG returns is dead wrong and based on hearsay.

I don't know what you're raving about. I haven't said anything about Samsung. The fact a tv sells has nothing to do with whether it has problems or not. There are countless threads of people complaining about Samsung TV's too, but they still sell the most TV's. I don't need numbers, threads like this are enough to show it's an issue. 227 pages of people comparing burn in, mostly on Lg's. https://www.avforums.com/threads/oled-screen-burn-permanent-image-retention.2056624/ You may like to think OLED is problem free, but threads like above and countless more prove it isn't. Unless you can explain away every post, the problem stands.

Richard Nutman:

I don't know what you're raving about. I haven't said anything about Samsung. The fact a tv sells has nothing to do with whether it has problems or not. There are countless threads of people complaining about Samsung TV's too, but they still sell the most TV's. I don't need numbers, threads like this are enough to show it's an issue. 227 pages of people comparing burn in, mostly on Lg's. https://www.avforums.com/threads/oled-screen-burn-permanent-image-retention.2056624/

an old page full of supposition and rumor from first few gen of sets, hardly anything conclusive. my point is that it is not a problem for gaming and burn-in has been mitigated, not eliminated. tht thread actually goes to a very good point of usage scenarios. for the scenarios on this forum (gaming, pc, and video) burn-in isn't a problem. indeed, there's a large group of people in this forum who own one and who do not complain about it. only the folks who Do Not have one are talking about it. the real source of the problem seems to stem from programming owned by the Murdoch's - Sky TV and Fox news with their ever present chirons and banners being left on 24/7

Venix:

Hehe i am on the complete opposite side of things i will take mat screens over glossy any time of the day , i know glossy has better colors but i am willingly giving up for less glare . In a perfect world would have been awesome if they had say -g and -m models with the only difference the coating !

It just depends. If I had a dedicated room with no windows for media then give me glossy. Any other room with windows I want mat.

selling the most doesn't equal quality. Having mainly dod/mil customers in a gov store, i talked to a lot of ppl stating the same, but once ppl saw you cant turn off wifi, the tv listening to room audio all the time (good combo with the tv being online), hackers ability to infect their tvs os, and burn in issues on oleds arent really an issue anymore (Image retention is preventable), virtually no one chose a samsung, especially after some side by side vs other brands (same content). same for their mobile. (one of the) biggest seller on the planet and ppl say they are the best, yet once ppl actually have a real choice on brands (hw) thats not artificially gimped by providers, ppl quickly change their mind about that. almost every mil member in uniform i've met that was stationed outside the continental US, is NOT using a samsung phone, as they realized other brands have proper handset, without the batteries blowing up or handsets being recalled every year, that are of so great quality.. in short, billion of bugs eat poop for breakfast, doesnt mean i will change my diet ... 😀