Mean while Intel continues on with 14nm. 14nm has served Intel well but everyone is sick now of 14nm refreshes. Hopefully by 2020 we'll see Intel's 10nm. ^^

Will be interesting to learn if this will be the manufacture node for the Zen 3 + refresh.

the nm races is interesting https://semiwiki.com/semiconductor-manufacturers/intel/7544-7nm-5nm-and-3nm-logic-current-and-projected-processes/ "At the 7nm (foundry)/10nm (Intel) all four companies have similar process density." "Going forward Intel’s 7nm process appears to line up as denser than foundry 5nm and even appears to match up favorably to foundry 3nm processes." so 2020 will that 7nm intel save the company ? ... going to be another interesting year in semiconductor

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Hopefully by 2020 we'll see Intel's 10nm. ^^

2021/22 for mainstream desktop parts

Duh. They are fast at it. I wonder about consoles aimed at end of 2020. Depending on clock and size of chips used, what would be better? 7LPP or 5LPE? If target clock is lower, then maybe 5LPE. As for AMD vs nVidia desktop GPUs. nVidia has Wattage to spare therefore can go for process that delivers higher clock. AMD will likely aim at process that delivers higher power efficiency. Which will by design make nVidia's GPUs cheaper to fabricate while delivering comparable performance. AMD still has the power efficiency ball and has to play it. Till they do, they'll suffer from it. Seeing OC on 5700XT, therefore clock that manufacturing process can achieve, power efficiency is key to extra performance.