Samsung to fab 14nm GPUs for AMD

#5209933

umeng2002

2015-12-23 00:54

Does this mean the GPUs will slow down on games installed more than 6 months? :booty:

#5209934

moeppel

2015-12-23 00:55

Tom's hardware is known to be often biased and opinionated, I wouldn't put much faith in their articles. Anantech on the other hand is great, I have yet to encounter any article there that seems to favor any one side based on brand. (guru3d is the best though 😛 love this site)

Wouldn't sign this for their German outlet whatsoever but as far as their American brethren go, probably. It mostly goes down the drain if they blindly adopt the English version without distinguishing further or making separate tests. German Tom's roundups are probably some of the best you'll get. That said, Guru and Tom's (German) are my most trusted sites in most instances. As for the nodes - regardless of what'll be better at the end of the day I just hope Pascal won't get another 2~6 months head start over the R9 400's. That'd be just too brutal.

#5209937

xIcarus

2015-12-23 01:08

As for the nodes - regardless of what'll be better at the end of the day I just hope Pascal won't get another 2~6 months head start over the R9 400's. That'd be just too brutal.

Yeah, this. Maxwell2 got way too big a head start, the 970 sold like freaking hotcakes. I bought it without even blinking, it was a nobrainer at 329$. Not to mention the 1+ month delay for the 290x price cut. I don't know what the hell AMD were thinking, that card should have been around 970 price the day the 970 launched. AMD lost huge sales in the first month of Maxwell2. AMD can't afford to deliver late this time around. They already have enough nails in the coffin as is, even if they seem to be swinging back right now.

#5210031

Vlad27145

2015-12-23 08:28

Tom's hardware is known to be often biased and opinionated, I wouldn't put much faith in their articles. Anantech on the other hand is great, I have yet to encounter any article there that seems to favor any one side based on brand. (guru3d is the best though 😛 love this site)

Yeah, I had heard about Tom's. Still, when apart from them, the only other benchmarks come from youtube and Ars Technica... You take what you can get 😀 And Guru3D is the only tech site I have among my bookmarks, we all share in the love! 🙂

#5210036

rl66

2015-12-23 08:45

Not Global foundries, not TSMC .. but Samsung will be fabbing next yearsÂ*Arctic Islands family of GPUs. Since it's Samsung it'll be a 14nm FinFET fab, opposed to Nvidia who will be using 16nm for t... Samsung to fab 14nm GPUs for AMD

cool for AMD if they can make right... wich i seriously doubd (because of Samsung, not AMD 🙁 ).

#5210047

sammarbella

2015-12-23 09:12

cool for AMD if they can make right... wich i seriously doubd (because of Samsung, not AMD 🙁 ).

?¿?¿ Are you serious? :3eyes: Samsung is a WAY more reliable Corp than AMD. it's BIG in storage (SSD), phones, TV's and many more markets and have something called PROFIT. It's a a serious Corp, AMD is...i better keep it for myself.

#5210110

xIcarus

2015-12-23 11:38

cool for AMD if they can make right... wich i seriously doubd (because of Samsung, not AMD 🙁 ).

You don't have faith in their fabs?

#5210138

Ryu5uzaku

2015-12-23 12:58

Samsung has been making chips for a rather long time good ones too. This should be good.

#5210202

xIcarus

2015-12-23 15:39

Samsung has been making chips for a rather long time good ones too. This should be good.

Not at this scale I suppose. Not sure if it matters, my knowledge on this subject is not very vast. I remember there was some debate whether Intel could build GPUs for Nvidia and AMD and people seemed to universally agree that CPUs and GPUs are completely different beasts fabrication-wise.

#5210219

Turanis

2015-12-23 16:29

Samsung has always top technology and does not have trouble to put new tech on the market. TSMC always have trouble with new tech and seems they have trouble with the new 16nm chips.

#5210254

Ryu5uzaku

2015-12-23 18:00

Not at this scale I suppose. Not sure if it matters, my knowledge on this subject is not very vast. I remember there was some debate whether Intel could build GPUs for Nvidia and AMD and people seemed to universally agree that CPUs and GPUs are completely different beasts fabrication-wise.

Samsung is really really efficient at what they do. Good example of their efficiency http://www.fabtech.org/news/_a/samsung_austin_semiconductor_ramps_s2_fab_in_record_time/ And they should have the capacity to produce on this scale and with GloFo even more so.

#5210283

alxtorrentazos

2015-12-23 19:08

Am I the only one thinking than in 2 or 3 years from now we will have only Nvidia and Samsung doing GPU´s?........I bet my next GPU is a Samsung G1 with 64Gb of RAM 😀

#5210400

sammarbella

2015-12-24 02:35

Am I the only one thinking than in 2 or 3 years from now we will have only Nvidia and Samsung doing GPU´s?........I bet my next GPU is a Samsung G1 with 64Gb of RAM 😀

Samsung buying Radeon Technology Group and producing GPUs right from their fabs is probably the worst Nvidia nightmare. :bat: After AMD spend years integrating ATI (and disolving his brand name) now something like old ATI is split again from main AMD corp as the "Radeon Technology Group". Old news (Sept 2015):

AMD's separating its healthier GPU business from its struggling CPU business. The company announced Wednesday morning that it was creating a new Radeon Technologies Group that would, essentially reconstitute ATI (the graphics company it acquired in 2006) inside of the CPU company.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2981813/components-graphics/amd-creates-graphics-focused-radeon-technologies-group-taps-raja-koduri-for-gpu-czar.html

AMD acquired Radeon back in 2005 as part of its $5.4 billion purchase of ATI Technologies, both becoming absorbed by the new parent company. AMD has been fighting a battle on two fronts ever since – against Intel with its microprocessors and versus NVIDIA with its graphic cards range – and is losing both, with stock falling to a five-year low of $1.45 billion. Designating Radeon as a separate division is part of AMD’s larger strategy to recover ground against NVIDIA.

http://www.*******.com/radeon-split-amd-separate-business/ Recover or better sell? 🙄

An industry source said that Roy Taylor, corporate vice president at AMD, will join the Radeon Technology leadership group.

http://venturebeat.com/2015/09/09/amd-to-set-up-radeon-graphics-chips-as-a-separate-business/ LOL Roy going to help AMD separated GPU dep to battle Nvidia again. This time from the other "corner". A deja-vu from the past when Roy Taylor (also know as "Next week" 😀) was working at Nvidia (2000-2010) https://www.linkedin.com/in/roytaylor Old news (May 2008):

In a recent interview carried by tech website Tech Radar, Nvidia's vice president of content business development, Roy Taylor, claimed that nobody really cared about AMD lately, except maybe for the Brits. Taylor supported his allegations with market share charts that did not even include information about ATI. ............................. When asked about why ATI was removed from the charts, Taylor said that "no one cares". Nvidia did not bother to include ATI's "faint" market slice of 18 percent in the final charts.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Nvidia-039-s-Roy-Taylor-Nobody-Cares-About-ATI-85417.shtml 18% is more or less the market share that old ATI integrated in AMD has and will have in "new" Radeon Technology Group. It seems very difficult that Samsung can buy AMD GPUs division AKA Radeon Technology Group cause there will be patents and US regulatory problems but this buy could be the best thing for all PC gamers who uses dedicated GPUs. A GPU market going to a de-facto Nvidia monoply is the worst scenario for us. Go Samsung! GO!

#5210454

rl66

2015-12-24 08:25

You don't have faith in their fabs?

no, if you follow this company, it can do the really best and for no reason have line of defective chip that pass the control at the end of the process... this is why Apple, Nvidia, M$ and more limit the Samsung touch in their production despite impossible to stop. it's really hard to do food, cars, phone, and be a chip founder at the same time... Samsung need maturity in this domain and right now... they haven't.

#5210455

rl66

2015-12-24 08:35

Samsung buying Radeon Technology Group and producing GPUs right from their fabs is probably the worst Nvidia nightmare. A GPU market going to a de-facto Nvidia monoply is the worst scenario for us. Go Samsung! GO!

there is also Intel. 🙂 but it can buy NVidia else... or both... in the future Intel will need powerfull GPU, despite all their effort (and latest IGP inovation) they need experience, and they have money... 🙁

#5210579

Fox2232

2015-12-24 15:02

no, if you follow this company, it can do the really best and for no reason have line of defective chip that pass the control at the end of the process... this is why Apple, Nvidia, M$ and more limit the Samsung touch in their production despite impossible to stop. it's really hard to do food, cars, phone, and be a chip founder at the same time... Samsung need maturity in this domain and right now... they haven't.

Your avatar closely represents origin of this assumption. Same way as sammarbella is lost. Lesson number one about corporations: THEY HAVE DIVISIONS!!! And they are separated for so many good reasons.

#5210621

xIcarus

2015-12-24 16:16

no, if you follow this company, it can do the really best and for no reason have line of defective chip that pass the control at the end of the process... this is why Apple, Nvidia, M$ and more limit the Samsung touch in their production despite impossible to stop. it's really hard to do food, cars, phone, and be a chip founder at the same time... Samsung need maturity in this domain and right now... they haven't.

It's not impossible, they are a giant corporation employing almost half a million people. Intel has little over 100.000, while AMD and Nvidia are both under 10.000. Considering the revenue they earn they can easily integrate more and more fields of work.