RUMOR: NVIDIA to announce the GeForce RTX 3000 in August
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Denial
Not sure honestly.. feature wise it's mostly catch up - Turing already has Mesh/VRS/RT (also 4x FP16/INT8/INT4). 12tflops @ 200w means maybe 14-15@ 300w given the exponential scaling. So it might beat the 2080Ti but not by much really. How far ahead does a new architecture need to be to be considered not competition?
fry178
@Noisiv
lol.
you mean, like they dont have something right now, thats faster than 2070(S)?
Caesar
Got an idea!
I will sell my whole computer system , add some money and WILL BUY IT.
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icedman
Hopefully amd and nvidia can get pricing right this time its bs that an entire console will be released with 2080 level performance for nearly half the cost of just the 2080.
Mesab67
Considering the apparent RDNA2 gfx performance from these next gen consoles, I would think it suicidal for "PC gaming" to have the dedicated equivalents (AMD, Nvidia, etc) costing significantly more than we would 'expect' - across the stack. With these consoles, the consumer is getting a serious generational performance uplift for the price. Ngreedia raised the price bar way above the consumer-expected price/perf range, but they did this because there was no competition and because they were 'apparently' offering something we would blissfully swallow. With next gen performance and "RTX-gate", I'd like to think pricing will get addressed, that is, if they give a damn about that market. Then again, whoever supplies console gfx perhaps won't care...as long as they have the contract. Hmmm...then does AMD really need to significantly undercut Ngreedia? Damn!!??
sverek
Don't worry, people who pay $1k for GPU, won't change their mind. Nothing changes. Can't play 99.9% PC games that not available on consoles.
Petr V
No 800€ max for me.
Netherwind
I hope this means raster performance and not RT performance.
Shhh, if we say it too many times it will actually happen 😉 Let's start mentioning $699 or 799 at most 😛
Denial
There is obviously an Nvidia tax going on but at the same time manufacturing isn't getting cheaper anymore.
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-beae74526acc97b24df7a65c07618cb4
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Previously, up to about 28nm, every single new node dropped the $/transistor by a fair amount. That isn't happening anymore, at all - the cost scaling completely stopped. So a new GPU with double the number of transistors now costs them twice as much to manufacture. On top of that, the tools needed to engineer, QA and verify the chips all cost significantly more now. There are far less players in the industry at these sizes (for example ASML is literally the only company that can fabricate any kind of equipment for 7nm/5nm production/metrology/inspection) and the equipment out of companies like Cadence that are bought to design these things at sub 14nm cost 10x what they did at 28nm.
So I think no matter what the costs are going to go up far more than we are used to. The industry isn't scaling at a rate to offset the cost and all the scaling that made it cheaper is now gone. Couple that with the need for more advanced/complex systems like 3D, HBM, etc - it's only going to drive the cost up even more.
Robbo9999
Yeah, exactly, 40% increase in performance is the ABSOLUTE minimum I could expect them to get away with in terms of increased performance offered. That would be poor for sure given the fact it's a new architecture COMBINED with a node shrink - that smacks of "holding performance in reserve for the future iterations"! Hopefully this rumour is completely bogus!
Denial
Wouldn't that depend on the die size, what reticle limit is available and at what price?
Couldn't I argue now that Nvidia is holding back performance because they could just build a 20,000mm2 die if they wanted at $1,000,000 per unit and some guy could afford that?
There has to be like a line that you draw on some metric where it just doesn't make sense to cross. Whether that's mm due to cost or power or what, i don't know - but I think the idea that just because it's 40% on a new node/die shrink means = they are purposely holding back performance is kind of a weird statement to make.
geogan
Yes, send me your spare money if you want. I can make use of it. 😉
fantaskarsef
Last generation was announced at their key note on 20th or so August 2018. Sounds reasonable so far.
Witcher29
Poor AMD they cant even compete wth current 2080 ti and nvidia is already making a faster gpu if the rumors are correct.
Its going to be another expensive gpu because nvidia got again no competition.
Embra
It's expensive because people are willing to pay for it. Sure competition would lower the price, but it could just as well cause AMD to raise their's.
Nvidia knows people will buy these higher priced cards. These cards are expensive to make in the first place, even before the added premium.
kakiharaFRS
10% better than Ti seems right or even good (if cheaper than the previous card) for a 2xxx ti -> 3xxx normal
waiting for a 3080ti and it's compatible waterblock so probably not before 2021 for me
I have a few games that make my 1080ti run at 100% and changing my cpu clock doesn't give me even 1 fps so the gpu is bottlenecking
Neo Cyrus
Possibly even less, and it wouldn't be surprising at all. But this is nVidia, they'd rather lose profit now if they believe keeping prices permanently WTF level high will give greater profit in the near future. Which is odd considering they alienate customers with dumb shit for short term profit...
MonstroMart
And 3k will probably also be competing with big turing.
The 1080Ti remains one of the best card on the market. If you want to clearly beat it you need to buy a 2080Ti which cost almost 2 grands in most countries. Will more than likely be the same with 3k. You'll need to buy a 3080Ti to clearly beat a 2080Ti and at this point only god can predict how expensive a 3080Ti will be.
JiveTurkey
Tldr: don't be gross.
And its insignificant $ amount v hours used to many of us, who have uncommon tech skill and have been able to leverage that into a career that provides for our families and still let's us indulge our less important hobbies. But it's gross to shove it In people's faces, especially right now.
vbetts
Moderator
Realistically even if the high end 3000 series has a $1000+ price, it's not going to matter much. The high end enthusiast market is nothing compared to the mainstream mid range market, which Nvidia has shown they can definitely flood a market with different series that give a decent price/performance.
