And again no 7600 non-x and 7700x so probably another round of 300$ 6core and 450$ 8core cpus.

MSI’s BETA X570 BIOS For AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D CPU Allows Users To Tweak VCore, Precision Boost & Curve Optimizer. For those who want to try out the BIOS, you can download the 'E7C35AMS.AD3' file here. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1w4jAulAFETGvZRTg-AE2ikTjbIVnzeUP/view https://www.techpowerup.com/295983/amd-ryzen-7000-zen-4-launch-date-and-lineup-revealed-spectacular-am4-rumor-surfaces Although AMD led us to believe that it's going all-in with DDR5, we're hearing a spectacular rumor that suggests otherwise. Apparently, the company is designing Socket AM4 processors with "Zen 4" chiplets, possibly paired with the existing cIOD that supports PCI-Express Gen 4 and DDR4 interfaces. The rumor surfaced among sources lower down the supply-chain (resellers). It seems like AMD isn't convinced it could target the lower-end of the market with AM5 just yet, and isn't 100% confident that affordable DDR5 memory will come through in time. The "Zen 4" + AM4 processors would compete with Intel 600-series chipset motherboards that have DDR4 and PCIe Gen 4 connectivity.

Does anyone have a general idea how Intel's DDR5 platform is selling compared to DDR4? This sounds like some top-tier wishful thinking to me, unless the numbers say otherwise.

Ddr4 is getting phased out there is really no point buying such a motherboard for intel or amd system. Ddr5 is getting faster, cheaper and its smarter investment on the long run.

Undying:

Ddr4 is getting phased out there is really no point buying such a motherboard for intel or amd system. Ddr5 is getting faster, cheaper and its smarter investment on the long run.

It mostly depends where do you want to position yourself. The perf difference between a b450 system with good ddr4 and a 5800x are probably not that much from a wildly more expensive 7x00X when it comes out, with new mobos and DDR5. With the GPU always being the cost bottleneck. DDR5 is no more crazy to buy, but to be an investement now, that we do not know which kit are going to come out in the next 6-10 months, isn't true. There is a good chance the ddr5 you buy now is low tier at christmas

asturur:

It mostly depends where do you want to position yourself. The perf difference between a b450 system with good ddr4 and a 5800x are probably not that much from a wildly more expensive 7x00X when it comes out, with new mobos and DDR5. With the GPU always being the cost bottleneck. DDR5 is no more crazy to buy, but to be an investement now, that we do not know which kit are going to come out in the next 6-10 months, isn't true. There is a good chance the ddr5 you buy now is low tier at christmas

You can always play with it and tighten up the timings, increase the frequency from lets say 5600 cl 40 to 6000 cl 36. @nizzen got 7000 cl 30 out of his hynix kit. Anyone who bought an alder lake with ddr5 motherboard has more options like buying a raptor lake cpu and faster ram in the future squeezing more performance on the same platform.

Undying:

And again no 7600 non-x and 7700x so probably another round of 300$ 6core and 450$ 8core cpus.

That is dumb imo. 7700 should be the sweet spot generating the most sales. I'll bet Intel will take advantage of that.

alanm:

That is dumb imo. 7700 should be the sweet spot generating the most sales. I'll bet Intel will take advantage of that.

Hopefuly they do so amd has to respond with 7700. Same thing happend with 5700x but it was too late.

asturur:

It mostly depends where do you want to position yourself. The perf difference between a b450 system with good ddr4 and a 5800x are probably not that much from a wildly more expensive 7x00X when it comes out, with new mobos and DDR5. With the GPU always being the cost bottleneck. DDR5 is no more crazy to buy, but to be an investement now, that we do not know which kit are going to come out in the next 6-10 months, isn't true. There is a good chance the ddr5 you buy now is low tier at christmas

Basically this ^. I'd say, that if you can't wait and memory bandwidth is your top priority, go for DDR5. If you still can't wait, but you're not so concerned about memory bandwidth (or you're on a budget), go for DDR4 and put the saved money into a part that's more important to you. If you CAN wait, I would give it another 9-12 months before getting into DDR5 - let the prices drop and the supply channel clear out of earlier generations of DDR5.

kanenas:

MSI’s BETA X570 BIOS For AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D CPU Allows Users To Tweak VCore, Precision Boost & Curve Optimizer. For those who want to try out the BIOS, you can download the 'E7C35AMS.AD3' file here. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1w4jAulAFETGvZRTg-AE2ikTjbIVnzeUP/view https://www.techpowerup.com/295983/amd-ryzen-7000-zen-4-launch-date-and-lineup-revealed-spectacular-am4-rumor-surfaces Although AMD led us to believe that it's going all-in with DDR5, we're hearing a spectacular rumor that suggests otherwise. Apparently, the company is designing Socket AM4 processors with "Zen 4" chiplets, possibly paired with the existing cIOD that supports PCI-Express Gen 4 and DDR4 interfaces. The rumor surfaced among sources lower down the supply-chain (resellers). It seems like AMD isn't convinced it could target the lower-end of the market with AM5 just yet, and isn't 100% confident that affordable DDR5 memory will come through in time. The "Zen 4" + AM4 processors would compete with Intel 600-series chipset motherboards that have DDR4 and PCIe Gen 4 connectivity.

if true, this is a super bonus for the consumer. on the other hand as an AIB might notice...they'll make many times more money on a mobo than a firmware update. but this is all up to AMD. as noted elsewhere DDR5 prices have dropped as fabs have stepped up production. all DDR4 will see its EOL except for niche fabbing, despite the market conditions because AMD and Intel have moved away from it. my take depends on where your pc $ have been spent in the last year. if you bought a ryzen 5800X3D, pass for another (at least) year. if you've taken advantage of gpu prices at or below MSRP in the last three months - go for that firmware update IF AM4 ryzen 4 shows up. you just got finished spending smart money - go ahead and digest for awhile. but if you've been waiting for a new chipset/cpu/gpu - don't bother with AM 4. same for all new systems especially Alder Lake. i'm not a huge fan of Raptor Lake, but it will have a significant upgrade to AL if you're buying Intel. reality is Intel's competition for Ryzen 4 is Meteor Lake but you probably don't want to wait that long.

Undying:

And again no 7600 non-x and 7700x so probably another round of 300$ 6core and 450$ 8core cpus.

But that 7800X HAS to out compete the 5800X3D or it will tank at that price... So GOOD news?!

Valken:

But that 7800X HAS to out compete the 5800X3D or it will tank at that price... So GOOD news?!

there is NO DOUBT that it will outperform the 5800X3D in every productivity metric