Review: X570 Aorus Master
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barbacot
For these prices the ryzen platform is quickly becoming more expensive than intel!!!
Now Ryzen 9 is much more expensive than i 9900k (800 USD vs 480 USD!!!) - nobody talks about that here - and Ryzen 7 3700x on amazon is between 460 - 500 USD while i 9900 k is 485 USD and motherboards for intel are cheaper.
Why would I consider a ryzen 3 cpu for gaming on a new platform when motherboards are so expensive and AMD CPU are in gaming less or equal with intel but with a bigger price for the platform.
After launch prices for ryzen (especially the high performance parts) went up a little too much...
buhehe
Here (UK), on Amazon, 9900K is 50% more expensive than 3700x and 10% cheaper than 3900x
EDIT: checked Amazon.com prices... the $799 3900x is simply because of 3rd party sellers price-gouging it. It looks like Amazon itself doesn't have it in stock (same for 3700x), but its historical price when sold directly has been $499
anticupidon
Ryzen 7 3700X is actually 344€ and you can get it even with a 10% discount ( ~325€) here in Germany.
Where and how did you get those prices, man?
Moreover, more expensive than Intel is a overstatement, can we agree on that?
Denial
I actually swapped to this board from an ASUS X570-E because the ASUS board kept powering off randomly. Few interesting things - It might be because Gigabyte has a newer bios then I had on the x570-E but I can maintain the 4.6Ghz rated boost on my 3900x way more on the Gigabyte then I could on the ASUS. Also the Gigabyte doesn't require you to remove like 9 shrouds to plug a M.2 in. The chipset fan is a little louder on the gigabyte and I prefer ASUS's UEFI layout more but overall I think the Gigabyte is the better board.
barbacot
https://i.imgur.com/huVYk1L.png
Denial
Okay but it's $329 in stock at various retailers.
https://www.newegg.com/amd-ryzen-7-3700x/p/N82E16819113567
https://www.microcenter.com/product/608318/ryzen-7-3700x-36ghz-8-core-am4-boxed-processor-with-wraith-prism-cooler
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/amd-ryzen-7-3700x-octa-core-3-6-ghz-desktop-processor/6356277.p?skuId=6356277
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1485449-REG/amd_100_100000071box_ryzen_7_3700x_3_6.html
You're comparing marked up prices from 3rd party retailers trying to earn a buck to a MSRP Intel processor then making broad statements about overall costs of the platform.
vbetts
Moderator
Just to note, you don't have to get an x750 board to use Zen 2.
Something to also think about, the 9900k and the chipset for it has been out longer. It's possible to have these cheaper considering how long they've been out, and supply and demand.
BReal85
1. You can use B450 and X470, and even B350 and X370 motherboards for Ryzen 3000 CPUs without any performance or function loss. You can usually use a new Intel CPU with only new motherboards (there are exceptions but this is the usual case)
2. It's more than $400 on Amazon because currently Amazon is out of stock and you can buy it from 3rd parties. But even $440 is cheaper than $485, right?
3. Ryzen 9 starts from $500, having 12 cores, costs nearly the same as a 9900K with 8 cores and destroys it. 3950X is for $750 with twice the number of cores as a 9900K. That 3rd party price only tells that people are buying AMD CPUs like candies. It's 529 EUR on Mindfactory.
Please stop lying, thank you.
It's also funny to read this bs from someone buying a 2080Ti card for $1100-1200, overpriced by 60-70 to a 1080Ti. lol
Again, $440 is cheaper than $485, isn't it?
anticupidon
this is the price I can buy the 3700X
https://www.amazon.de/AMD-Ryzen-3700x-Cache-Wraith/dp/B07SXMZLPK/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=3700X&qid=1565269839&s=gateway&sr=8-1
Having Amazon Prime price is reduced to 321 euros. Is this more expensive than Intel's offer?
anticupidon
@barbacot I suggest to google-proof what you post on this forum because 99% of its members do.
We are nerds, we like technology and information, information as accurate as it may be found across the internet.
there is nothing to gain stating otherwise, and everything to lose if you are caught "trolling".
mind the quotations, that means that every individual is presumed NOT guilty until proven otherwise.
So, I wish you keen eyesight and best of luck in finding better prices...if you are to buy something or helping other forum members.
Cheers!
maddog55
i managed to buy a Ryzen 3700x @£299 from Amazon UK , it arrives Saturday:).
i had to trim my sails a bit this time on the motherboard, an Asus Strix Gaming - E will have to do 'cos the Hero v111 is extortion imho!.
my old FX8350 sits here on my desk, things have certainly changed a lot since i used it.....this is getting to be a very expensive "hobby" now 🙁
alanm
Thats not the regular product page on Amazon. Thats the sort of page you get when a product is out of stock so Amazon lists alternate sellers where its available from.
NCC1701D
Do you really need an expensive mobo for a 3700x though? Every review says to leave the chip stock instead of trying for massive overclocks, which the chips aren't capable of anyway. I bought the cheapest X570 board I could find and it works a treat and has all the features I need. 435 total for mobo and 3700x. I would imagine X570 pricing will come down a bit too as time goes on.
Calmmo
https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/x570-aorus-master-review,5.html
"stages spread across 7 phases"
It's a 12+2 soc "real phases", no doublers actually. Only manufacturer with access (for now) to a new infineon 16 phase controller. The catch is the power stages are 50amp vs 60 used by the rest of the competition (at this price range). Tho the Extreme has 14+2 +70amp.
DLD
Judging upon my personal experience and upon the info that I gather from the local service-technicians, for a many years now g-byte is the worst producer of mobos that one can find. I would not build my PC on their mobo if it was given to me as a present. And it USED to be a reliable brand (back in the Pentium II/III era)...
Calmmo
Your info this time is false since gigabytes have had the best agesa implementations on x570, and their 2 top boards the best VRM on top of boasting the highest memory QVL's.
Denial
I mean his argument is that the boards aren't reliable -- not that they don't have good features. Whether he's right or wrong is a different story and honestly it's all anecdotal crap anyway.. my experience with ASUS and MSI for my last 3 boards has been terrible. My Aorus Master is currently fine (but i've had it for 4 days). In reality I'm sure most of the major manufacturers have similar reliability rates.
Calmmo
True I suppose it depends. I personally have never had a board die on me. I've only ever owned 1 gigabyte, x79 which im still using and hasnt had any issues for example, but it's been inside a well ventilated case and im hitting 80c on the vrm easily, I can image someone with a poor case setup and that board would've had it fail by now if it got close to 100, which im almost certain it would in such a scenario. That's why you should always look at components that are most likely to fail, like caps. I know there are x570 boards that have 5k rated ones. I would certainly avoid those.
EvArty777
"Ryzen to expensive", in what world you buying your hardware from?
Lets see what we can get:
3700X + X570 M/B @ $519.98 = https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails?ItemList=Combo.3930014
9700K + X370 M/B @ $469.98 = https://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails?ItemList=Combo.3925660
$50 really that much MORE expensive? I didn't even choose the cheapest motherboard. That would have saved another $40 which puts you @ $10 difference.
waltc3
HH, what follows is 100% constructive--the review was OK, but it lacked some perspective, I thought--probably because I own the Master. First, have you seen the x570 mboards selling for $269? Doesn't matter who makes them--imo, they suck, every one. And an x470, definitely, is not a substitute--one big difference there is that this mboard supports PCIe4, and the x470 mboards will not be doing that for obvious reasons. In fact, these x570 motherboards are the only ones on Earth that support PCIe4--no Intel mboard does, as of yet. While you seemed enamored of MSI's $700 Godlike--even gave it a rating, as I recall, even though no one here will buy one, likely--you called this one too expensive...? I could buy two of these for the price of the Godlike--or the Aorus Xtreme, for that matter--both mboards are too expensive--and they are EATX, as well. Also, you didn't mention the steel backplate on the bottom, which greatly reinforces and protects the motherboard and according to GB, also aids in cooling the board as well. It was very noticeable to me right off. Your gaming conclusion that keeps putting the ancient-architecture 9900k ahead of Ryzen by "5-25%" in frame rates @ 1080P just doesn't jive with the great majority of opinion as I've read it elsewhere. There are several games I've seen reported in which the 9900k can't keep up, at all--but they didn't make your test list. I'd provide links, but starting an argument is not my purpose here. Try QHD or UHD resolutions--that's what most "serious" gamers use today, imo. 1080P is so "yesterday"--literally, I haven't used it in years.
But I did agree with with most of your complimentary remarks about the board, and the one about not being able to hear the chipset fan was right on the money--I can't hear it, either--thankfully! Just can't figure your comments about the price, and of course I cannot understand at all why you rated the Godlike but not the Master, which costs half as much. Also..in the photographs of the mboard--what's with the comments about the chipset heatsink being so "bright"? It's not, actually, it's a much darker gray-silver, with an Eagle motif--your image capture seems over-exposed--or maybe it was the angle--it seems to be reflecting the white background. At any rate, the mboard doesn't look like that. Thought you should have known that. Still can't get over the fact that you didn't even rate the board! What about the VRM situation? No doublers used in the Master, etc. The extra motherboard layering and copper used in the board to achieve signal integrity for PCIe4-lane communication doesn't get a mention, for some reason.
Why on Earth would anyone want to spend an equal amount or slightly more money on Intel solutions so old they creak, @ 14nm, and riddled with security holes and flaws--if they can go to AMD and get a *modern* 7nm CPU designed so much better that it has almost no security flaws by comparison? What's the attraction? Can't figure it. Let Intel get off its monopolistic duff and field some new architecture cpus instead of milking the past, constantly--then they'll be worth another look, imo. But not until.
This is the first GB product I've ever owned--and I have to say that it's by far the best ATX motherboard I've ever owned--and I've owned a lot of them. If ever I am tempted to think that the Master might have been too expensive, all I have to do is think of the utter cheapness of the two MSI x370/x470 mboards I purchased since Ryzen debuted @ $190 each--and my confidence in the x570 Master purchase is totally renewed!
Last, the really baffling thing for me is why some folks will spend several hundred dollars on their CPU, as much as $1400 on a GPU--but want to go dirt cheap on the motherboard. The motherboard is the logic glue and electrical circuitry that holds everything together--including the CPU and the GPU, etc. Yes, $369 is the most $ I've ever spent on a motherboard--but it just happens that this motherboard is also the best one I've owned to date. I hear that previous GB motherboards weren't so hot, to put it mildly--but with this product launch it looks like GB has turned a corner...Couldn't you at least see fit to award them a "Most Improved" rating....? ...;) The product is excellent and is certainly deserving, imo.
