Review: AMD Ryzen 5 2400G APU

#5519226

vbetts

Moderator

2018-02-12 15:18

Not that on an APU you would probably need it badly, but I am kind of surprised you can't set the framebuffer size to 4gb out of the box...Hoping at some point to see some iGPU overclocking on one of these.

#5519227

slimmy427

2018-02-12 15:19

Do they even Crypto? Seriously, seems like a nice intro budget build to PC gaming. Some pretty impressive results

#5519228

cowie

2018-02-12 15:20

seems like a very good deal and good product

#5519229

vbetts

Moderator

2018-02-12 15:21

slimmy427:

Do they even Crypto? Seriously, seems like a nice intro budget build to PC gaming. Some pretty impressive results

Probably not worth it seeing they have a lower amount of shaders, and even then out of the box the framebuffer size is only 1-2gb right now.

#5519232

slicer

2018-02-12 15:24

Why no online games added to the review? Dota2 or CS:Go? Basically here are tested AAA titles that usually are played with dedicated graphics cards by enthusiasts. This kind of CPU's will buy other userbase, like You said yourself in conclusion. Then why not add those userbase games? Ofcourse AAA titles can be there for comparability.

#5519234

Hilbert Hagedoorn

Administrator

2018-02-12 15:26

slicer:

Why no online games added to the review? Dota2 or CS:Go? Basically here are tested AAA titles that usually are played with dedicated graphics cards by enthusiasts. This kind of CPU's will buy other userbase, like You said yourself in conclusion. Then why not add those userbase games? Ofcourse AAA titles can be there for comparability.

And as answered in the 2200G thread: Sure, I redid the IGP test suite - and figured I'd covered that question by adding GTA-V - But sure, I'll look into some online games.

#5519236

slimmy427

2018-02-12 15:27

vbetts:

Probably not worth it seeing they have a lower amount of shaders, and even then out of the box the framebuffer size is only 1-2gb right now.

You're right, it wont be a fit all solution. Certainly wont compete with even current Gen consoles. I would like to see how small of a system an engineer could create with this.

#5519238

vbetts

Moderator

2018-02-12 15:38

slimmy427:

You're right, it wont be a fit all solution. Certainly wont compete with even current Gen consoles. I would like to see how small of a system an engineer could create with this.

GPU wise both should out perform the GPU and memory speeds of the 2 base consoles. Not the updates Pro and X models. CPU wise they both are easily better.

#5519245

D3M1G0D

2018-02-12 15:59

Very impressive APU, matching low-end dGPUs and completely blowing Intel iGPUs out of the water. It's amazing to consider that 1080p gaming is now a reality with integrated graphics, and I'd gladly recommend the 2400G to anyone looking for a budget gaming system (and the 2200G isn't bad either).

slicer:

Why no online games added to the review? Dota2 or CS:Go? Basically here are tested AAA titles that usually are played with dedicated graphics cards by enthusiasts. This kind of CPU's will buy other userbase, like You said yourself in conclusion. Then why not add those userbase games? Ofcourse AAA titles can be there for comparability.

From what I've seen in other reviews, it excels in Overwatch and CS:GO but is a stutterfest in PUBG. Not sure about Dota 2 but probably does well there as well.

#5519246

schmidtbag

2018-02-12 15:59

A little disappointing that this has Summit Ridge cores with basically no fixes at all. Makes me wonder why this wasn't called a 1400g instead? Regardless, still seems like a great product. I was not expecting the IGP to perform so well. Seems like the best option for entry-level gaming PCs at the moment.

#5519252

FrostNixon

2018-02-12 16:24

Hilbert Hagedoorn:

And as answered in the 2200G thread: Sure, I redid the IGP test suite - and figured I'd covered that question by adding GTA-V - But sure, I'll look into some online games.

Please do! Dota2, CSGO, Overwatch, LoL would be great to see!

#5519253

Fox2232

2018-02-12 16:24

vbetts:

Not that on an APU you would probably need it badly, but I am kind of surprised you can't set the framebuffer size to 4gb out of the box...Hoping at some point to see some iGPU overclocking on one of these.

Weird, AMD slides shown performance change with OC. Without, it is still great jump. For APU, I think 2GB shared base memory is OK. Anyway, OS should be able to add more, so there should be no big difference. @Hilbert Hagedoorn : I could not find if you actually tried OC of iGPU. Maybe different MB has it available already?

#5519260

Venix

2018-02-12 16:52

Most likely i will get hate for it but i think there is a chance those cpus will be snatched by miners also if they have the ability to pay back their cost in 6 months then why would they even consider other cpus?

#5519264

BLEH!

2018-02-12 16:59

I want one! Be nice to see how far the IGP can be pushed frequency wise, but that performance is pretty killer.

#5519268

vbetts

Moderator

2018-02-12 17:06

Venix:

Most likely i will get hate for it but i think there is a chance those cpus will be snatched by miners also if they have the ability to pay back their cost in 6 months then why would they even consider other cpus?

They will not be good for mining at all. Most high end pay out crypto currency require 8gb of vram. Sure, when available in the near future you will be able to increase the vram to 8gb, but you still need to buy enough ram and even then fast enough ram considering it's shared memory. It is not fast memory either compared to gddr5 or HBM, and there are no AM4 boards with multiple PCIE slots made for mining. These are actually mining safe.

#5519270

vbetts

Moderator

2018-02-12 17:17

deusex:

This could be nice and cost effective office build. One question though. How does this work, where you connecting your monitor to, if there is no graphic card?

AM4 motherboards have video ports.

#5519275

schmidtbag

2018-02-12 17:29

vbetts:

They will not be good for mining at all. Most high end pay out crypto currency require 8gb of vram. Sure, when available in the near future you will be able to increase the vram to 8gb, but you still need to buy enough ram and even then fast enough ram considering it's shared memory. It is not fast memory either compared to gddr5 or HBM, and there are no AM4 boards with multiple PCIE slots made for mining. These are actually mining safe.

Is mining intensive on memory bandwidth, or just capacity? Either way, I think what may actually make these appealing to miners is the cost. They may be relatively inefficient for mining but they're also significantly cheaper than CPU+dGPU combos. If there are any AM4 mining boards, these might be a very cheap alternative compared to an Intel Pentium + GTX 1030; I'm guessing Intel IGPs are left unused for mining. Let's hope I'm wrong, though. Anyway, even if miners do end up using this, I don't think supply will be a big worry. GPUs are an issue because you can buy a dozen (or more) of them for just 1 PC, where each of them use up a lot of RAM. Even for hardcore miners, I don't think they will put enough of a dent in the CPU/APU market to affect pricing or availability. A single serious miner might buy enough GPUs to create one of the top 1000 supercomputers in the world, but likely only enough CPUs for 1 seat per student in a typical highschool.

#5519276

The Edge

2018-02-12 17:36

I would like to see some comparison with lower end GPUs like for example GTX 1050 or RX560.

#5519285

jststojc

2018-02-12 18:50

Im sorry to bother you, but i didnt see any tests with overclocked ram, seeing as the FPS arent much different between the 2200g and 2400g i was thinking that the 2400g might be held back by the ram speed. Hence perhaps if you could do a test with overclocked ram (the flarex should oc decently no?). Naturally what you wrote in the review that the ram costs more than APU+Mobo is true and ridiculous. But it would still be very interesting just to see if its ram limitation (frequency better than timing etc., frequency bringing improvement, did the ram controller get improved etc) Thanks

#5519287

Noisiv

2018-02-12 18:54

The Edge:

I would like to see some comparison with lower end GPUs like for example GTX 1050 or RX560.

Her ya go: [spoiler] https://abload.de/img/igp_perf_rel_1080r4su5.png [/spoiler] I'd love this APU for my 2D gaming needs (I think IGP gaming is kewl 😀) Still wouldn't touch it for competitive multi-play (DOTA 2, Overwatch, TF2, CS/GO, Diablo III), no matter how light GPU load. Nor would I recommend it to anyone who even thinks about modern games. Lets get real for a sec: This is a very good product, might be even great! Now lets not go overboard: 1080p or no, 35fps @lowest is not entry level gaming, it's torture gaming. We've seen similar APUs from AMD earlier. TBH this one might be a notch better (closer to Intel CPUs perf. wise and closer to NV entry GPUs perf. wise), nevertheless so called light desktop gaming/entry gaming is not what makes or brakes this APU. Light gaming at desktop did not exist as a viable market or something which needed to be addressed 5 years ago. It's no different today. Its all about Notebooks (money wise), and that's where this puppy needs to shine.